About Moderation (old original thread)

[anon29622970]

Are those really the only 3 currently? For some reason I thought there was more.

[NotBruceZ]

Request for Comments: Moderator permaban powers

I’m of the opinion that we wasted a bunch of time arguing about moderator terms when we should have been delineating moderator powers, responsibilities, and duties. We’ve added new mods and gotten complaints. We should be clear about what we expect from mods if we want to be able to make a case that some mods are good/bad. I’d normally prefer to build this from the ground up, but I’m going to start with something that has come up a few times recently. Proposal: Moderators shall have the abi…

[goreo]

I believe this point has been brought up many times, most recently 6 hours ago

@Fatboy8

I guess the only good thing to a Trump 2024 win is everybody will have a focal point for their anger and the forum will come roaring back to life.

and as early as a few weeks before Biden’s inauguration

@WichitaDM

I also think hatred of Trump unified us and with that fading away we will be back to full blown attacking each other for our differences if we aren’t careful.

[CaffeineNeeded]

@cassette

Victor was in the middle of discussing helping out with admin of the site

Interesting, because he was in the middle of sending me unsolicited trolling PMs. It literally was ‘I am trolling’

I cannot fathom how you could possibly write something like this in good faith… and now we have long set of documentation showing it never was in good faith.

[Trolly]

Me too.

[MrWookie]

Victor was blatantly trolling the fidget thread with something of a heckler’s veto, which he admitted to Trolly via PM, and which he gave Trolly explicit permission to report and share.

Even if you don’t buy that jal was tipped by fidget about the vote stuff, he’s the biggest bad faith shit stirrer on the forum who deserves it for his body of work.

Keeed was, in his own words, eager to get his haters mad by tearing up this forum after having been caught involved in a covert campaign to ruin it. Like, how blatant does the wolfing have to be?

[Hired_Goons]

@cassette

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Victor was in the middle of discussing helping out with admin of the site, …

[prana]

looool wat.

[skydiver8]

@cassette

The rest of you can go fuck yourselves.

Easy there, shooter. I just let you back in.

[Aofrantic]

Stuff like this makes me think I could say the sky is blue and I know 4-5 people who would disagree on this site and they could convince another 2-3 they were arguing in good faith.

[hokie]

What the fuck, guys. Cassette just asked for an explanation about four bans. Everything is tense right now and I think asking for transparency is completely reasonable. Is it really so hard to let wookie respond without adding your two cents to the drama? How are we supposed to know Victor was PMing people without asking wookie like cassette just did?

Edit: in response to sky below, I assume that adding the edit was the only way he could respond to those posts given the four hour limit (and also why I’m responding to you via an edit right now). If I’d posted asking for transparency/clarification I’d be annoyed at those responses too.

[skydiver8]

Asking for the explanation was fine, and it was given.

The ninja edit to add a personal attack? Not so fine.

[bobman0330]

@MrWookie

Keeed was, in his own words, eager to get his haters mad by tearing up this forum after having been caught involved in a covert campaign to ruin it. Like, how blatant does the wolfing have to be?

Do you mind pointing out what post you’re referring to here?

[mtl2d]

Six people have been banned today and jmakin hasn’t?

jmakin abused his admin powers, said that he would not do it again, abused his admin powers again, posted multiple pm’s. Given that he can apparently alter logs and has lied about his actions as admin, how can we even know the extent of his behavior? He could have extracted personal information about every member.

What would the punishment be for anyone else who hacked pm’s and published them?

[freddbird]

@mtl2d

What would the punishment be for anyone else who hacked pm’s and published them?

RFC to make them an admin.

[Tilted]

We are getting a ton of new members today! It’s really great to see the growth of the forum. Welcome @mtl2d! I hope you enjoy this vibrant loving community.

[jmakin]

Hey sabo

[clovis8]

My two cents

Victoars ban should be reversed. He was making good points yesterday and genuinely trying to help the community.

Jals ban should be permanent. He was the opposite. It’s clear based on yesterday he wants to see this place burn. That’s all.

Rest temp bans seems ok.

If that is sabo the account should be snap perma banned. Every account within 100 km radius of his IP should be snap instant life banned. His posting a single letter here ever again should be snap instant life banned. Let him troll his own little world.

Jmakin needs to apologize and he subject to a ban as well. He knows he was wrong making the pm public. He should face some consequences.

[mtl2d]

@jmakin

Hey sabo

So I am a new member or a Sabo second account? Nice deflection to avoid holding jmakin accountable.

check my 2+2 and unstuck profiles.
I am member #721 on 2+2, joining six years before jmakin and seven years before missiledog.
I joined unstuck before jmakin or tilted.
I’m not a second account like zarapochkas_ghost.

So I could be Sabo running a super clever long con, or:
This is the best political forum on the internet. I’ve enjoyed lurking both for twenty years and never posting, but was motivated to post for the first time because for some reason, it appears no one wants to hold jmakin accountable for one of the most egregious mod/admin behaviors. Now when I pitch unstuck to potential new members, “yeah its a great forum, but be aware that the admin might go rogue, read and post your pm’s, and do who knows what else. It has happened before.”

[6ix]

@Aofrantic

Stuff like this makes me think I could say the sky is blue and I know 4-5 people who would disagree on this site and they could convince another 2-3 they were arguing in good faith.

You ready?

(chronological order, some bold emphasis mine)

@Aofrantic

I find it really funny that 6+ months ago I made a post saying that if we didn’t root out the obvious bad actors/trolls that this site would die by the people who actually give a shit quitting and the bad actors just then leaving when their job was done and was deemed hysterical by the bad actors…**and that is now precisely the move they’ve pulled? **

Quite the performance art. Congrats, you’ve trolled a super small internet forum and made some middle aged men quit.

@Aofrantic

We’ve had people defending them for a year plus, correct, that is the problem.

Fidget is the best current example. It was clear as day he was trolling wookie, skydiver and others. Then it was revealed because they bragged about it. We’ve had people spend hundreds of posts defending them in the past, but literally zero from the same crew now. Weird!

@Aofrantic

I dont even know if I’ve had a PM here. On 2p2 they were 99% sports drafts.

People like jmakin aren’t trying to “win” anything. They may have made bad choices, but I disagree it was a concerted, plotted effort. It’s clear jmakin could be manipulated into doing something destructive if pushed. Anyone who has spent a ton of time on 2p2 knows this.

It’s just like with Sabo and Clovis. Why are we intentionally pushing the buttons of users so, so often? It’s just not cute.

@Aofrantic

That belittling the mental health of posters and openly discussing strategies for trolling is "0 rows is quite telling!

@Aofrantic

I’d be pretty shocked if goofy had weird PMs. We’ve had the topshot discord which goofy has been maybe the most active user for 6+ months and there have been no instances of people deriding the other posters here.

That kind of thing could devolve into name calling and clique based like the published PMs did, but it absolutely never has. It should be illustrative as why one led to such and the other hasn’t.

You seem to be projecting quite hard here.

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Again, you ready? Because this might sting, and it should sting, and I’m actually complimenting you by thinking it will sting, because if it doesn’t that might really really illustrate the problem better than I could’ve imagined.

@Aofrantic

Fwiw I fast forwarded past 99% of those messages, I didn’t have time to read 1200 PMs. Maybe got the first 10 and newest 10 for context when I saw a new thread was “made.”

Fwiw, “fwiw” stands for “for what it’s worth” and for future reference, that info is worth quite a bit and should probably be stated up front in a discussion such as that.