Thank you for your contribution, oh holy one who never perpetuates forum grievances
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Sure, in the same sense that you implied bombing a bridge in wartime was the same thing as blowing up the World Trade Center I guess. Actually, your implication there was a lot stronger.
Edit: By the way, I think it was good that you took the time today to learn what genocide is. Always good to broaden your horizons and be willing to admit when you donât know something.
As a two sentence summarization. Thereâs zero chance you actually think that I have no understanding of any of broader causes of the conflict and thereâs a 100% chance you understand how that references NK starting the war with their invasion
To be clear, I 100% think this seeing as you have only ever mentioned âNKâs aggressionâ in this thread, and then defended the US bombing the shit out of their country as âfucking around and finding outâ
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I was assured by another poster that Kim Il-Sung was not going to invade!
This is obviously no longer directly about Ukraine, but it was a semi-related derail about US interventionalism on the whole (and this is the Ukrapto thread, after all). Korea was cited as an example of US interventionalism gone right (a counter to Vietnam as similar interventionalism gone wrong). Micro pushed back on that, pointing out that we canât just credit the goodness of America intervention as the reason why SK is rich and NK is poor. It seemed to be going fine until this post.
And now itâs crystal clear.
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Goofy, you were even a key part of the conversation before that post! You and micro and others were actually, successfully, having one of those discussion-thingies that this forum is supposedly for.
Iâll be completely honest here: I am legitimately, genuinely perplexed as to how someone as smart and as aware as you continues to ignore the "only-here-to-own-my-opponent"ness of CNâs posting across thread after thread. I am not surprised that micro responded in kindâdo you notice how different his posting was when responding to you, bbb, and others vs once CN entered the chat? Do you think thatâs because micro is only here to own his opponents, or could it be something else?
This continues to be one of those âam I taking crazy pillsâ things for me, because it seems incredibly obvious and yet I constantly feel like Iâm on the outside.
CN is both aggressive and wrong in this thread.
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You can ignore CN. It took me years on 22 to figure this out, but it works like a charm.
Maybe I can be provocative and say that some demonization of the enemy is a necessary evil?
Like even if I was living in Ukraine and seeing what the Russian army was doing to my people, I still might have a hard time pulling the trigger at those specific Russians in front of me, because theyâre probably conscripts who didnât do those atrocities and donât want to be there any more than I do. But if I donât pull that trigger at the right time and that sort of behavior is repeated across the front lines then it causes the war to be lost and much worse outcomes for everyone. At the same time if public will and political support is sapped away the war can be lost that way, so it has always been a tactic to do this in the propaganda to the public as well. Think of the âHalt the hunâ posters the US government put out in WWI and similar examples.
So I think this demonization aspect has been sort of a necessary tactic to maintain the will to actually do what needs to be done to win and prevent the worse outcomes.
This whole discussion reminds me of the black mirror episode âMen Against Fire.â There is the point that Russians are also using the same tactics calling Ukrainians Nazis and such to motivate their guys to do the necessary evils, but I just donât feel war is a place where one side can always be like âwhen they go low we go high.â It never has been.
Itâs not that I am saying this stuff isnât bad but that thereâs all sorts of horrible shit that is going on always in every war. At this point Internet message boards are a front, (like Putin has a whole army of Internet trolls). Online discussions tend to percolate viewpoints and attitudes into the public which affects the political reality of continuing sufficient aid from western countries to Ukraine.
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I wouldnât say itâs necessary, but it does seem like a misplaced priority to pearl-clutch over namecalling when apartments are being shelled.
I mean itâs not necessary for me to call them orcs in my posts but it is to some degree necessary for Ukrainian army and citizens to think of the Russian soldiers as orcs terms rather than as âpeople who probably wouldnât agree with this war if they were not force fed propaganda and who probably donât want to be here and whose experience and emotions in this moment are just as validly human as my ownâ
I donât think it is a bad thing for those on Internet message boards to use and reinforce the language adopted by Ukrainian army for this purpose
Meh. I think people on the internet half a world away should get less leeway in this than the people actually fighting Russia.
At least no one called them orcs.
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Is one of them using a horse?