Ukraine LC Debates, Arguments and Terrible Memes

https://twitter.com/MarkHertling/status/1580308542040707072?s=20&t=WqNBC76ZkYse2KEGn97yEQ

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Oopsie poopsie.

Tbf I’ve walked over some pretty obvious mines in fallout

The only good orc is one who puts sunflower seeds in his pockets so his inevitable death won’t be a total waste.

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it kind of looks like he aimed for the gap he’d never fit in

Humanize. From the swahili HU MANBE IN GUISE

Some people can’t take a joke, but I think the video is still interesting and I don’t seem to be able to edit out the commentary.

https://twitter.com/JosBtrigga/status/1580364662419312641

Some experts argue that anything less than total Russian withdrawal would be a victory for Putin and therefore must be resisted. But Putin has already lost strategically—NATO is working to expand its membership to include Finland and Sweden and has supported Ukraine in ways unimaginable before. The Russian army has been devastated and embarrassed. The economy has shrunk as well as lost capital and technology that are unlikely to return absent major changes in Russia’s government. Russian citizens, especially the most talented youth, have become disaffected or have fled. A negotiated cease-fire would not change these facts.

Ukrainians and their admiring supporters would be legitimately frustrated by a negotiated cease-fire now. The world recognizes the injustice of any gain for Putin and Russia. But the desired heroic ending of World War II, in which the aggressors were vanquished and friendly new democratic governments were created, is not an option here. Germany and Japan didn’t have nuclear weapons; Russia does. That fact cannot be undone.

If Ukrainian forces cannot expel Russia from all these lands without a cornered Putin using nuclear weapons as a last recourse, it is better for the people of Ukraine, Europe, and the United States to act on this realization before a nuclear war begins.

I know the phrase is America will fight Russia down to the last Ukrainian but this points to the other side. People will push for peace with Russia down to the last Ukrainian territory.

In reality it’s a quagmire. The article gently hand waves away the implication of giving into nuclear threats by saying that Russia’s learned its lesson, its military is ‘embarrassed’, but doesn’t seem to realize that the take away would be to just threaten nuclear weapons earlier, because conventional warfare is for suckers? But of course you can’t just handwave away nuclear bombs dropping either

https://twitter.com/auto_glam/status/1581689324717776896?s=21

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https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1582099780431278080?s=20&t=9gzp7AiAoFAJZpPliesthw

https://twitter.com/NLwartracker/status/1582102968953733120?s=20&t=9gzp7AiAoFAJZpPliesthw

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I assume the Russians haven’t yet started flying manned kamikaze flights?

They’re not even sending manned aircraft over Ukrainian territory.

Rep. Scott Perry (R-Pa.), the chair of the right-wing Freedom Caucus, floated to colleagues the idea of laying the groundwork for an investigation into the Biden administration’s approach to Russia-Ukraine peace talks, Axios has learned.

In a text late last month to fellow Republican members of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, screenshots of which were obtained by Axios, Perry asked whether they had sent a records preservation request to the administration — the first step toward an investigation.

  • “Have we requested any Administration conversations with [Ukrainian President Volodymyr] Zelensky this spring that included the proposition of an end to Russian occupation in exchange for Ukraine not joining NATO?” he wrote.
  • Perry said he is “completely opposed to Russian actions regarding Ukraine,” but is “not in favor of war with Russia.”
  • “If these nitwits in this jackwagon Administration are blundering us or intentionally marching us to war with Russia, nuclear or otherwise, we’d better start to preserve the evidence so there can be accountability.”

https://www.axios.com/2022/10/18/ukraine-peace-talks-republican-biden-investigation

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https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/1582753207255977987?s=20&t=gy9G44T8AJ9WwSzJW-MsSQ

https://twitter.com/NLwartracker/status/1583134235741032448?t=sgWgGnXFQ0oVhuMf6qHKDQ&s=19

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https://twitter.com/eugene_finkel/status/1583008256309403648?s=20&t=XWwfXmVrThVksrFfKxI9iQ

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https://twitter.com/benedictevans/status/1501853555002589184

Without reading the thread I don’t know if this thread is good for bad, but the phrasing of this… VCs on Twitter just cannot get enough of themselves or enough of telling everyone else about themselves

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I recommend clicking through

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It took me a few minutes to realize he was a venture capitalist. I was first thinking 'he doesn’t look like an old Vietnamese combat veteran."

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OK he got me