About Moderation (old original thread)

[hokie]

@jmakin

I never remembered signing up to be a horseman, or whatever they’re called, and I remember being lumped in politically with the “horsemen” (for lack of a better term here, I’m gonna keep using the nicknames) which I took great offense to because I’m pretty sure ideologically I am not even close to aligned with many of the positions that group is perceived to have.

I don’t really want to re-re-re-litigate this issue, but surely you remember breaking into a private message between “captains” and posting it to the public for all the world to see. Perhaps that contributed just a tiny bit to you being lumped in with the “other” side.

[hokie]

@goofyballer

This is mostly an invented justification used by, uh, members of the other forum for their attacks here: telling a bunch of Bernie voters they’re “liberals”, so they deserve it for not being pure, holy lefties like them (all while being plenty chummy with centrists)

Possibly. My opinion might be colored by the Korean War discussion we were just having, which does seem to fit that mold. It might be oversimplifying things.

[jmakin]

to which I explained my motivations and reasoning and why/how it happened, none of which was believed (and probably still isn’t by many). Doesn’t matter, I don’t and never had a side, and I’m pretty sure if a lot of people are truly truly honest with themselves here, they don’t really either.

even before that happened I was getting lumped in with them by simply trying to support the mod team. even down to me being called a centrist, deplorable, etc despite like, not agreeing with barely anything the people in that group post about. however, unlike a lot of you, I dont need to agree lockstep with someones views to be friends with them, because at the end of the day none of what we believe about anything can possibly matter in the scheme of things.

[Trolly]

In this Perry Mason novel I’m reading they keep calling Della a “girl” and I can tell if she’s supposed to be younger in the books than on the TV show or if it’s just old-timey sexism.

[BusinessGenius]

@goofyballer

they deserve it for not being pure, holy lefties like them (all while being plenty chummy with centrists)

I’ll never know if you’re incapable of understanding any alternative to this strawman or if you’re just that dedicated to pretending.

[hokie]

@goofyballer

This is borne out by bbb posting “actually calling them orcs is good” and getting zero pushback. You’d think, if you were naively reading only the content of the discussion, that such a post would be immediately controversial; but it’s actually extremely boring because the only thing that matters is who posted it.

This surprised me because I didn’t remember it. I guess you’re referring to this post from an hour ago?

@bbb7979

I mean it’s not necessary for me to call them orcs in my posts but it is to some degree necessary for Ukrainian army and citizens to think of the Russian soldiers as orcs terms rather than as “people who probably wouldn’t agree with this war if they were not force fed propaganda and who probably don’t want to be here and whose experience and emotions in this moment are just as validly human as my own”

I don’t think it is a bad thing for those on Internet message boards to use and reinforce the language adopted by Ukrainian army for this purpose

It seems a little different than making a blanket statement that “calling them orcs is good” but that’s fine, yea, I see your point. BBB’s post earlier in the thread was also the one that brought up the Korean War, which prompted a discussion, though, so I disagree that all that matters is who posted it.

Edit: putting the full bbb quote in for context

[BusinessGenius]

@goofyballer

This is borne out by bbb posting “actually calling them orcs is good”

It can’t possibly be that people saw no point in trying to converse with someone who would say such a thing, and that the post’s existence itself said all that needed to be said, given the context of the discussion that led up to it

Edit: @goofyballer I thought you were talking about an entirely different post by an entirely different user. My bad. I did remember a lack of response to “actually it’s good” posts and thought you were talking about any of those.

[Jalfrezi]

@CaffeineNeeded

Things were pretty good when the people stirring up shit now all left

“Pretty good” = no one opposed your Conservatism.

[BusinessGenius]

Oh, I thought bbb had to be a nickname for one of a couple different posters who made posts that fit gfy’s description and lack of response. I didn’t realize there was someone actually named bbb and I hadn’t seen that post.

[jmakin]

I also think this name is hilarious even though I largely disagree

[BusinessGenius]

I don’t know that it’s perfect, but it’s of course something that could be added to an argument.

[Jalfrezi]

No, it was much more organic than that.

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[BusinessGenius]

@goofyballer

which means they actually sat around together and planned this out

You can’t imagine any other scenario?

[hokie]

@goofyballer

we are targets who must be argued with, so our presence is what demanded micro coming in swinging (at us and then CN).

True, looks like his first post in the thread was actually responding to you (a post in which you were responding to / agreeing with bbb)

@microbet

True but that is after quite a while. South Korea was mostly authoritarian until 1987. 320000 South Koreans got sent to fight in Vietnam because they had an authoritarian government that was aligned with the US.

I disagree with your characterization of his posting in that discussion with you, wookie, and bbb as “coming in swinging” though. Even if we don’t ignore the history and potential bad blood there it seemed like it was a relatively fine discussion. Seems like those are the kinds of discussions we should expect (hope for?) on a political discussion forum. Getting back to my original point, something changed in that conversation that wasn’t present at the beginning, and it wasn’t the existence of you or wookie.

[bbb7979]

Why do I make all these controversial posts and no one will beef with me???

[Trolly]

@moderators can we nip this “gfy” thing in the bud please?

Would also be nice if jal’s avatar wasn’t blatantly trolling jman again.

[cassette]

Have you taken a look at jman’s recently? It’s not even a pedophile this time.

[BusinessGenius]

@bbb7979

Why do I make all these controversial posts and no one will beef with me???

Like I said, I couldn’t imagine GFY could possibly be talking about the post you made when he described it the way he did. So I thought he was talking about one of the handful of others like simplicitus or the masterPwn guy. Sorry bud

[hokie]

@bbb7979

Why do I make all these controversial posts and no one will beef with me???

I assume you’re joking, but an honest response is probably that people generally aren’t looking for beefs and you seem to write long, thought-out posts.

[NotBruceZ]

Why can’t one person have done it spontaneously and others copied it because they thought it was funny?