META: NBZ re-reads old meta and asks questions (ignore if you don't care about meta)

[6ix]

@zikzak

but instead the concept got weaponized as “You’re not the boss of me, I mod what I want.”

The most obv fyp in the history of post fixing but let me change it back for a second:

@zikzak

but instead the concept got weaponized as “You’re not the boss of me, I post what I want.” And ownership wasn’t even what most people wanted anyway, they just wanted a place to post.

Lol imagine that.

“Have you noticed that their stuff is shit and your shit is stuff? God! And you say, ‘Get that shit out of here and let me put my stuff down!’”

[6ix]

@econophile

https://i.imgflip.com/76vua7.jpg

Really just an excuse to do a “That’s fascism”

I’ll give you five guesses which panel is the important panel here, and a hint upfront: It’s probably the last one you’re thinking of.

[6ix]

@NotBruceZ

I’m curious if how many forums outside of here, twoplustwo, and anywhere adjacent?

There are certainly forums out there which have zero tolerance for off-topic posting. Some places require posts to go through a moderation queue and be approved to be posted. (I don’t want to out my participation in a few boards where this happens.) If you read the Discourse support forum, there are admins asking for help in implementing restrictions greater than what we have here.

This is what I meant by,

@6ix

after factoring in the all the variables

size, topic focus, poster history, etc. Obv you can’t have people discussing whether Hitler was right on the My Little Pony forums, even if everybody is saying he was wrong.

[NotBruceZ]

There was an entire thread on mods asking a user for a citation of the claim: “Actual poverty really doesn’t exist in the US.”

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Here’s one stance:

I’m sure people will dispute whether this counts as less modding. I see it as a statement that fewer posts should be deemed worthy of mod attention, but those that do should be dealt with more harshly.

Is trolling something that should be moderated?

• Yes
• No
• I don’t know

Is bad faith posting something that should be moderated?

• Yes
• No
• I don’t know

Is “cite or ban” a reasonable tool for moderation?

• Yes
• No
• I don’t know

[Jalfrezi]

Define your terms.

[6ix]

@anon12304106

Politics was always moderated pretty heavily, you dont think so?

Relative to the moderation at times here, no, but in the power rankings of all forums everywhere… Hard to say, but it was different, it was part of 2p2.

@anon12304106

Im also thinking about the late politics/unchained forum which had lots of moderation drama.

Lol not to just link the entire AM thread, but:

@6ixFromTheRiverStyx

It’s been said plenty of times before but if the moderation were fair then half the forum would be permabanned. I mean, scroll up one post lol (yes I know that post was a reply to you and you already read it). That’s where part of the “no moderation” policy stems from.

But also, and this is entering best kept secret territory…

Fuck it I’ll just copypaste it:

Like, show of hands, who here posted on Unchained? That’s how me and @jalfrezi became friends, from doing multiple tours of duty there.

And here’s what’s so wild about Trolly And Co making up shit about no moderating leading to shitholes:

We clowned Toothsayer so hard he left Unchained!

I’ts probably still there if you search “worst week ever”. I think the culmination was my thread “Toothsayer Or Stormfront”, where (lol yes it’s what you think it is) I posted actual Stormfront posts and actual Toothsayer posts and had readers guess (at first I didn’t even label the game, which was more initial lulz {Trolly’s satin brained take was ‘omg they’re posting stormfront in unchained’}).

I’ll admit I don’t feel like fighting on the internet is some noble cause lol, but people who poop on it I think overextend themselves way too much. It’s like that allegory about the kid throwing starfish back in the ocean and the adult says they’re being ridiculous:

“What are you doing? You can’t save them all.”

“Yeah, but I saved that one.”

So it’s like, yeah, we couldn’t get every Nazi Punk to Fuck Off, but, lol, we got that one.

Unchained was fine. Nazi Punks and Assorted Deplorables, in baskets or singletons, were styled on so hard they left or simmered all the way down. And anybody who ventured in who was deploracurious would see a bunch of cool smart funny mfs styling on the views they were curious about. I mean, ffs, half this shit is just making their deplorable views feel cringe and lame lol, one doesn’t need to wade into heady moral and ethical frameworks. Lol Toothsayer your Trad views aren’t cool, they’re fucking corny and they definitely ain’t punk rock.

What changed, and what Trolly misremembers (6ix says in the most benefittest of the doubt that ever was benefitted), is that when the Nazi Punks Et Al were protected is then when things went to shit. When Chez became mod and it wasn’t actually “Unchained” anymore, it was “Pv7”. My best stylings were deleted and neutered and I was no longer able to just beat to death how horrible mfs and their views were.

[6ix]

@NotBruceZ

Is trolling something that should be moderated?

you know the the poll is gonna be ‘i don’t know’ cuz wtf is trolling

[6ix]

Btw I haven’t even got a chance to scroll up and read the ‘forum fascism’ part but redefining language, specific words, to have nebulous meanings in order to use them against your enemies is totes fasch.

[6ix]

doubleplusungood if you will

[Jalfrezi]

Covered in the “othering” clause

[NotBruceZ]

In this case, the definition of fascism has been a topic of much academic debate and I am curious how aware posters here are of the different traits that have been ascribed to fascism.

Fascist, by the way, is a pejorative that communists have used nebulously in the past for their enemies, from actual fascists to democratic socialists.

[6ix]

@Jalfrezi

Covered in the “othering” clause

Imo we wouldn’t even need to use heavy terms, because that George Carlin quote sums up like ~100% of any conflict ever.

“Have you noticed that their stuff is shit and your shit is stuff? God! And you say, ‘Get that shit out of here and let me put my stuff down!’”

[6ix]

@NotBruceZ

Fascist, by the way, is a pejorative that communists have used nebulously in the past for their enemies, from actual fascists to democratic socialists.

Jinx, see the post above.

[6ix]

“Forum Fascism” just has some nice alliteration, but really it’s just a talk about basic empathy.

[6ix]

@anon12304106

Thats your opinion. The majority of the community saw it differently. Some would view that as saying the community has decided. You would view it as a form of fascist oppression.

@Jalfrezi

Sure. You know it’s not unknown for fascists to win elections, right?

Ok.

What was the problem with Chezlaw?

[SenorKeeed]

I actually kind of agree here, Biden is substantially to the left of Obama on many economic issues. Obama is a self described moderate republican though! But broadly the democrats have abandoned workers and embraced corporatism. Hopefully Obama was the peak of this trend.

[DUCY]

must be talking about the kipin forum? I used to post there a ton, it was not really this crowd’s vibe

[6ix]

@DUCY

it was not really this crowd’s vibe

lol which crowd?

[6ix]

lol

[cassette]

Can you narrate that a little bit?