JFC the Bernie Bros and their thin skins are unreal.
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yeah…recall upthread where I said this?
This thread is certainly radicalizing me to one side on this by sheer weight of example alone. The visceral reaction I’m having to reading these posts is making me want to defend warren, and she’s not even my candidate…and it’s really not helping the other guy.
Gonna bow out on this. The lack of self-awareness here is mind-blowing.
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She was already very likely losing the nomination for months. I think you will find that you’re not gaining much credibility by saying Warren supporters are now worse than Florida Man supporters. I like how you think your rage justifies outrageous, bonkers assertions. Even if I grant the least Warren friendly interpretation of what happened, it’s a political campaign in the last 2 weeks before a vote, fairly or not Sanders has a mild misogyny issue to address.
If it matters, I don’t have a problem with the analytical point that women have a tougher time getting elected in America, so I’d have no problem with Bernie saying that as long as he did not imply they shouldn’t try, which I’m very sure he wouldn’t imply. So I also think Warren has a bit of a responsibility to address what was said in that meeting more directly, especially post handshake-gate, and it was journalistic malpractice that CNN didn’t follow up on it.
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The Pete campaign staffer driven to defend Warren is too chef’s kiss.
The prosecution rests.
I’m very aware. I’m not a Bernie Bro at all, there is a good chance my cushy job goes away if he wins and he is the only candidate I legitimately fear that with. I’d LOVE IT for any other candidate to show that they had half the decency and good faith effort to consistently do the right thing that he so clearly does so that I could vote for them in good conscience. Unfortunately, they have all been massive morally bankrupt failures that are practically forcing me to vote Bernie. And it’s infuriating.
Yes, that’s exactly the theory. I mean step 1 has already been confirmed, and seems like it would be a standard practice for any well run campaign, so this whole “only Bernie and Liz knew!” argument is super disingenuous or willfully naive. Steps 2 and 3 could just be as simple as the fact that information leaks, especially mundane (on its face) information like this. I mean it’s not like she was accepting Russian oligarch bribes or something that she would be extra vigilant to keep locked down. It’s the kind of background information that gets shared as gossip within the organization because it helps define the relationship between the campaigns. You know, like the story that Klobs throws around office supplies. Nobody expressly leaked that to the media until the right person came around asking the right person about it, then it became a story, even though for a lot of people it was kind of an open secret already.
If you want to get more conspiratorial about it, step 3 could’ve been a Biden ally or some “centrist” Republican-lite power broker shopping around for exactly this kind of information, and if that’s the case it wouldn’t be too difficult to uncover something exactly like this. If you do some Bayesian thinking you’ll probably understand that this specific information leaking is probably not that improbable given there are a number of other things they could’ve found worthy of magnifying into a wedge issue, but this is the one they found. I mean these are high stakes campaigns. The winner may be our last hope for democracy. There will be points of friction no matter how well the candidates get along.
I actually don’t even think it’s that conspiratorial given the predictable end result of who this helps. It only feels that way because you have to parlay a couple layers of assumptions about what happened, and because this forum at least has already been prebiased into believing Liz did this. If you consider that the set of events necessary to reach any similar outcome is pretty wide that parlay looks easier to hit, and if you look at the motives objectively it really makes no sense for Liz to have done this. You should then be able to see a decent argument that Liz having nothing to do with this hitting the press is actually the simplest explanation.
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There were four sources. Two heard it directly from Warren.
Tell us again how it becomes a story without Warren confidants? Tell us why Warren confidants confirm the story without her blessing?
Your scenario can only account for the two sources twice removed from the room.
I feel driven to tell you that I’m not a staffer.
I also feel driven to laugh at this whole thing. Did I step into a Qanon board by accident?
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I mean if we want to talk about gendered reasoning, this argument that Warren is some kind of helpless bystander while two confidantes talk to the press, her campaign confirms the story and she makes a canned girl power speech at the debate… like if Pete was involved in a similar sequence of events I have a hard time imagining people arguing that he is not in control of his campaign, let’s put it that way.
But in any case, if you agree that this affair is damaging for Liz, then the alternative is that she has disastrous political instincts. You’re saying the outcome here was “predictable” yet there were multiple off-ramps which she refused to take.
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What’s your answer? When brons1 is president what will he do?
it’s a bullshit question especially coming from a hire-more-women-guards clown
p.s. And no pause linking CNN after last night?
How does this work if both sides are not amenable to a truce?
Also, wat. Bernie “fell in line” after when he campaigned for HRC. You’re comparing two different things.
He also means don’t post a bunch in a row; only maniacs and menaces to society do that.
uh
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Her whole demeanor during and after the debate came across as if she genuinely believes Sanders said what is claimed and was offended that he denied it, implicitly calling her a liar.
What I don’t understand is why the Sanders and Warren campaigns did not work this out before the debate and have non-contradicting statements ready. So much for hoping one of them drops out at some point and endorses the other.
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Completely agree. This was from the famous school of tv journalism where you let both sides (usually Dem/Rep) make contradicting statements. Then instead of press, push back or follow up just shrug and go “who is right? I guess we’ll never know. Too bad, somebody should really get on that.”
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The existence of the current Democratic establishment guarantees four more years of Trump. Bernie needs to destroy them and build a party that can compete.
Got my mom and sisters take on this. Both are Warren supporters and I think a good representation of your average mildly informed dem voter so thought I’d share.
Both thought it was dumb and don’t think its a big deal/don’t matter. They don’t think Bernie is sexist and think its just the media causing trouble. And that Bernies script + this is just how politics is played. Bernie is still their 2nd choice.
I’m going with this is only a big deal in the extremely online crowd unless Warren continues to make a big deal about it. I do think a lot of libs are tired of the identity politics stuff as well and want their politicians to focus on the issues that matter.
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The Bernie Bro moniker is sexist and erases the many women supporters of Bernie (which there are more than any other candidate)
Let’s be better UP
Yeah if there’s one thing that’s been clear in this whole thing, it’s that the misogynistic media has definitely taken Bernie’s side.
This is not a slight to you in any way, because I think your reaction is pretty understandable, but the visceral reaction you’re experiencing is the reason why Liz leaked this.