Lmao is your point that the cancer patient could choose to forego insurance? Because they certainly can’t get it for free under Biden’s plan, which is what the adults are discussing.
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My argument about why Biden’s on the fly proposal was bad is totally different from the point Castro was making.
A massive freeloading effect.
This should link you to the update where CNN covers this attack from Castro about 10 million people being uninsured, and CNN says Castro is being honest and cites Biden’s own website which says ~10 million people will go uncovered.
Are you fucking kidding me? Nobody HAS TO buy in, they can CHOOSE not to have coverage. If they WANT to get coverage, they will be ABLE to BUY IN.
So, you’re right, under the Biden plan if someone gets cancer and decides they do not want to buy in they will not HAVE TO buy in. You got me.
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Wouldn’t have to file bankruptcy either.
There’s no study or breakdown from that link, it basically just says its on Biden’s website.
Here’s all I could find there:
"As president, Biden will stop this reversal of the progress made by Obamacare. And he won’t stop there. He’ll also build on the Affordable Care Act with a plan to insure more than an estimated 97% of Americans. "
So it looks like the 10 million number is just assuming “more than 97%” means exactly 97% and just takes 3% of 300 million to get the number of uninsured with no methodology used as to who these people actually are and why.
So your claim is that, under Biden’s plan, someone who chooses to go without coverage for whatever reason and is uninsured can do what exactly when they get cancer?
A) Buy in to Medicare for All (or get it free IF they qualify for free coverage anyway and had fallen through all of the cracks)
B) Get free Medicare for All just because they have cancer
C) Choose to go uninsured and pay for their own care
D) Choose to die of untreated cancer
There’s only one wrong answer, let’s see if you can avoid picking it… again.
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He literally never mentioned this HUGELY SIGNIFICANT part of his healthcare plan - if you get a serious illness you get Medicare totally free - until the debate, and he didn’t do it until Castro pointed out that man it sucks for someone with cancer to have to buy in to this public option instead of just getting free treatment.
And you think it’s more likely that he actually meant that, rather than that it was a fucking weasel answer where he meant if you’re poor you can still get subsidies that make his public option free? Like, in the transcript cuse posted he even goes further and qualifies his answer by saying “if your aunt qualified for Medicaid, she wouldn’t have to pay for Medicare under my plan”.
It’s obvious that if you currently make like 60k or whatever, you have to buy into his public option and there has never been an exception for cancer patients. It’s insane that you wont admit that.
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Right, so assuming that Biden’s website gives the most generous assessment possible of his plan, 3% of 330 million is 9.9 million.
So either ~10 million people (or more) would go uninsured under the Biden plan or Biden’s own website is casting his plan in a negative light.
There is no penalty anymore so not really.
https://mobile.twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1172544712542228482
https://mobile.twitter.com/AnandWrites/status/1172540082726866944
https://mobile.twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1172525684092297219
You aren’t in
That’s why Castro called him out.
The most generous assessment of “more than 97%” is 100%. But yes likely Biden (or his team) did fuck up the sense that they chose using a scientific seeming number rather than just blindly declare that everyone gets covered. In any case there’s no grounds for Castro to believe 10 million supposedly not covered on Bidencare would be cancer patients.
Uh yeah, due to Trump. Republican efforts to torpedo a plan shouldn’t be use as an argument again said plan (probably the exact opposite actually).
Biden is pretty explicit about bringing back the mandate btw.
When I said most generous possible assessment, what I meant was that if Joe Biden said 97% or more, I’m going to assume it’s close to 97%. Because if they felt they could say 100% they would say it. While WE could interpret 97% or more to generously possibly mean 100%, if the Biden team was making their most generous claim, then we know that the real number is approximately 97%.
Castro never said there would be 10 million cancer patients who weren’t covered. In fact, Castro never even came close to saying that.
Castro attacked him for making people buy in, and for leaving 10 million uncovered. Biden is the one who was bringing up the cancer patients not going bankrupt.
BIDEN: OK, number one, my health care plan does significantly cut the costs of – the largest out-of-pocket payment you’ll pay is $1,000. You’ll be able to get into a – anyone who can’t afford it gets automatically enrolled in the Medicare-type option we have, et cetera.
Are you intentionally leaving this out when you try to frame Biden is gonna leave people out to die? I thought that part was established much earlier itt.
Let’s start here: nowhere in Biden’s plan does it say anything about out-of-pocket costs. So I’m not really sure what he’s talking about here, and I’m not sure whether or not he’s sure what he’s talking about either. When he says that about anyone who can’t afford it, that’s for anyone who can’t afford the premiums if they opt-in and buy in to his program. So there will still be people uninsured. So, what’s your point?
I never framed it as Biden leaving people out to die. He claimed on stage last night that they’ll be able to get into the program, but they’d still have to buy in. You said they wouldn’t have to, I said, no, they could choose to go broke or die instead of buying in. So you brought up that option they’ll have under the Biden plan, not me.
All this told me is that Politifact isn’t doing a very good job analyzing the differences in health plans and fails to understand the difference between an opt-in and opt-out plan for preventing people from falling through the cracks. Politifact even admits that Castro’s attack was technically correct regarding the requirement to opt-in, but then claims it doesn’t make a difference.
They then completely ignore the gap between people who are too poor to pay for healthcare and people who can afford it but choose not to get it, and they don’t analyze that at all. So basically that is a pretty useless page from Politifact.
Also you’re apparently dodging my question here: Democratic Primary Debates - #2916 by anon38180840
It’s never too late to admit that you’re wrong and you were making bad points. We don’t have to keep arguing about this.
Also just opting/buying in would be part of any public option plan (there’s a potential period where you’re uninsured and decide to buy in publicly or not). Castro’s plan is actually unique in that he seems to be the only one with an opt-out plan.
Pretty unfair that Biden would be singled out here, the majority of other candidates have same problem, and public option was a pretty liberal position just one cycle ago.
Okay so you’re blatantly being dishonest
That addresses the above cockamamie horseshit you posted a few minutes ago.
What’s blatantly dishonest? These are the options that person would have if they were uninsured and got cancer.
The D) part is heavily dishonest.
If your poor you get in, and anyone not stupid realizes the implication of not being poor is you’d afford healthcare offered.
Again you’re stuck on the problem of Bidencare sucking and not that Castro flat out swung for the fences and flat on his ass…