Let’s start here: nowhere in Biden’s plan does it say anything about out-of-pocket costs. So I’m not really sure what he’s talking about here, and I’m not sure whether or not he’s sure what he’s talking about either. When he says that about anyone who can’t afford it, that’s for anyone who can’t afford the premiums if they opt-in and buy in to his program. So there will still be people uninsured. So, what’s your point?
I never framed it as Biden leaving people out to die. He claimed on stage last night that they’ll be able to get into the program, but they’d still have to buy in. You said they wouldn’t have to, I said, no, they could choose to go broke or die instead of buying in. So you brought up that option they’ll have under the Biden plan, not me.
All this told me is that Politifact isn’t doing a very good job analyzing the differences in health plans and fails to understand the difference between an opt-in and opt-out plan for preventing people from falling through the cracks. Politifact even admits that Castro’s attack was technically correct regarding the requirement to opt-in, but then claims it doesn’t make a difference.
They then completely ignore the gap between people who are too poor to pay for healthcare and people who can afford it but choose not to get it, and they don’t analyze that at all. So basically that is a pretty useless page from Politifact.
Also just opting/buying in would be part of any public option plan (there’s a potential period where you’re uninsured and decide to buy in publicly or not). Castro’s plan is actually unique in that he seems to be the only one with an opt-out plan.
Pretty unfair that Biden would be singled out here, the majority of other candidates have same problem, and public option was a pretty liberal position just one cycle ago.
His actual plan says nothing about a maximum out of pocket payment of $1,000.
The automatic enrollment is only for people below 138% of the poverty line and is only done when they interact with public schools or SNAP. Anyone who does not interact with those programs will be uninsured. (Or other programs he adds to this list.)
Anyone who makes > 138% of the poverty line, does not have health insurance, and does not buy in to Bidencare will be uninsured.
Anyone who is uninsured from #2 and #3 who then gets cancer will have the three options I laid out: opt-in (which means buy-in, if they’re not too poor to afford it), choose to go uninsured and pay for their own care, or choose to go untreated and likely die.
So getting back to the original argument, they’ll have to buy-in. Also his actual plan says nothing about this exception to the enrollment window, he made it up on stage, but we’ll give his plan credit for it anyway.
Castro’s plan is an opt-out plan while Biden’s is an opt-in plan, but the differences between those are much less than Castro suggests. Biden’s plan would guarantee Americans who are in need access to Medicare coverage, just like Castro’s would. The differences would likely amount to the nature or timing of paperwork, rather than being significant barriers to access.
Continue on pounding the Fake News drum when you attack polifact.
Those are the options, you have repeatedly claimed that someone who was uninsured was not going to have to buy-in. The plan says they’d have to buy-in. Biden on stage said they’d have to buy-in. Castro attacked him for it. He changed his plan on the stage and added an exception to the enrollment window but they’d still have to join and pay for the plan if they could afford to pay.
As for your claim that…
Like, the argument is about whether someone sick has to buy in to get covered. Yes they do. Is your claim that anyone not stupid realizes anyone not poor would already have health insurance? Because if so, you’re the one being stupid. Why in the world would I pay $XXX/mo for health insurance if I’m going to be able to wait until I get sick to enroll with no other penalty? I’d be an idiot not to play the system.
If your claim is that the point was never whether people with money would have to buy in when they got sick and opted in, like, read the transcript, read the plan, read Castro’s words, and if you can’t understand it from there, I don’t know what to tell you.
Idk, I come here for day to day stuff. I’ll use Twitter more often to search for a local story or something, or to search for sports injury/trade news.
I don’t really enjoy scrolling through my twitter feed, and I can’t help myself from reading the comments which always piss me off.
The only person being disingenuous and twisting the truth here is you. The only person projecting is you. The only person gaslighting is you. Nobody attacked the media, I criticized an article.
I ran circles around you with the facts, and when you realized you couldn’t win the argument you started throwing blind haymakers about Trumpian attacks. When that didn’t work you posted a link to a Politifact article you clearly did not read, and when I explained its weaknesses you decided to distort what I said.
If you want to stan for Joe Biden’s shitty healthcare plan or the establishment media’s shitty coverage of this exchange in the debate, you’re going to have to find the kiddie game down the street where people aren’t smart enough to easily run circles around you.
Might I recommend ChiefsPlanet as a website that might be more suitable to your level of intellect and political leanings?
You are one of the biggest dumb asses here. You constantly attack the media. This isn’t the only place you did it today. You posted in another thread recently about CNN debating Beto. When it was just a shitty Op-ed piece.
I cashed out a bunch of “No” shares on Buttigieg and donated the money to Bernie. Democracy dollars indeed. But if last night’s debate was any indication, Trump’s gonna win.
I see we’re back to the name calling since you can’t win the argument on the facts.
I was literally watching a CNN panel discuss whether it was Beto’s fault nothing would happen now on gun control because he said he wanted to take all of the AR-15’s and AK-47’s and said “Hell yes,” about it. Jake Tapper was anchoring.
This is a stupid debate for them to be having, it’s a ridiculous topic, and blaming Beto for it is absolutely laughable.
So you’re now citing random comments on Twitter to support your argument? LOL
I haven’t lied once, but I’m glad you’re done trying to fight about this. You’re doing pretty poorly. You really need to work on your debating skills, reading comprehension and policy understanding. Or just go to ChiefsPlanet, you can probably run circles around them intellectually and I’m sure you can find quite a few of them to agree with you about how mean and dumb you think Castro is.
Citing twitter isn’t for validating argument with you. It shows how divorced you are from reality. Lol at you thinking Castro somehow doesn’t look like an asshole and was accurate when multiple sources show he wasn’t. You’re too fucking dumb and stubborn to admit it and you throw shade at media outlets when you are wrong. You’d fit in more with the CP crowd than anyone else.
As far as name calling goes. You admitted in another thread you get personal and trolly the other day. I am not playing around with your ass when you get that way with me. If it gets me banned. Fuck it. I don’t care. You’re an asshole to people you disagree with.