Saw 200+ new posts here in the last 12 hours or so and thought something Covid related actually happened. Still haven’t learned 2 years in.
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I have previously been assured ITT that “if a treatment is of uncertain benefit and there is any risk at all, don’t administer it” is a sacrosanct principle of medical ethics.
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Discussion has actually been better than most 200+ post days in this thread.
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Oh shit maybe that’s where I picked up that bias towards inaction, thanks for jogging my memory. But I still don’t know if that’s really the right framework for this decision…
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This is the entire post I made about hydroxychloroquine, people can read it for themselves to see if your snippet actually says what you think it says. Unlike some in this thread, I never actually prescribed the drug to covid patients (obviously because I don’t have patients or prescriptions), but it does seem reasonable that it was given to patients at the time.
Would doses have been stockpiled? Almost surely. Again, this was being used all over the world before Trump ever said anything. And no stock’s value spiked because of Trump touting a generic medication manufactured by any company that has the ability to make it. Would some moron who drank fish tank cleaner instead of talking to his doctor about actual medicine still be alive? Maybe but he seems dumb enough to have drank something else fatal in the interim so who knows.
My point was that the trials that the drug has undergone were not frivolous or caused by Trump or a waste of time. They were necessary and reasonable. And the compassionate use of the drug by physcians was reasonable as well since there was not necessarily any other treatment available. The level 0 thinkers are the ones who reflexively try to tie every piece of news to Donald Trump.
The fervor about hydroxychloroquine was indeed dumb and a waste of time, with both the media and Donald Trump to blame. But that’s what both of them do, so if it wasn’t this dumb controversy it would be something else.
edit: oh cool, there’s a way to link to posts in locked threads so you guys can see the whole conversation to put this post in context. Maybe better than just ripping a single sentence out of a conversation, right?
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Obviously a shitty situation, but it sounds like there is a very good chance this guy is gonna die pretty soon no matter what surgery he gets.
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- There’s plenty of metastatic cancers that have a decent prognosis
- Even if it is, people deserve to not be paralyzed and shitting themselves until they die if we can avoid it.
That’s a really awful thing to say though jeez.
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I don’t know what’s up with you, man. Your attempts to ikesplain stuff are almost cute sometimes.
What part of “Obviously a shitty situation…” don’t you understand? In case it’s not clear, that’s my shorthand for your #2. Sorry for the confusion.
#1 is also not exactly a newsflash, which is why I said “there is a very good chance”. One would have to know a whole lot more about a the situation to guess his prognosis with accuracy. That also should have been obvious to just about anyone.
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I’m not sure what your point is. “Very good chance” is both vague and contextually dependent and intentionally so. So is “soon” for that matter. I don’t know what you think it means, but let me assure you that it covers a wide range of outcomes. Throw in a “sounds like” and I think that’s enough qualifiers for even the densest reader. I’d apologize for being unclear, but you’re just being obtuse at this point.
I can’t even believe I spent 3 minutes doing a brief literature search on this. Anyway, if you’re so inclined, go look up the median time of survival from diagnosis of a pathologic fracture from a metastatic cancer. Spoiler alert: it’s grim. After you’ve done that feel free to comment on my word choice once again.
Also, just to be clear, obviously one would need to know much more about his individual situation to make an accurate prediction about his survival. That is just one data point. Obviously.
Whining about the three minutes wasted on that post in the context of dismissing the remaining time of that man in severe pain is a thing you could do
I was not dismissing it. Literally the first words I wrote were bemoaning what a terrible situation it is. I even clarified it for you in a follow up post. I know you can read. You should actually try doing it.
Gonna be some real fireworks when people learn about the pediatric vaccine/paxlovid/molnupiravir situation.
I used to think my opinions and ideas were pretty average/mainstream around UP, but honestly … I got vaxxed as soon as possible and am set for a booster next week, but nothing keed has said in this string of posts about his decision on the booster strikes me as even a little bit what I would consider “anti vax.” If I read this right, he talked about this with his doctor, including when then would do a booster. That seems just fine to me.
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It’s honestly a bit weird to me that people think he should go with an internet forum opinion over that conversation.
Literally nobody is saying that. He talked to his doctor before the situation and guidance on boosters changed. My advice was literally, go talk to your doctor again.
Got my Pfizer on Pfizer booster yesterday. Two hours in my shoulder started hurting. At some point I had the chills but didn’t last long. Was tired, but slept ok. Shoulder stopped hurting about 12 hours in.
About 21 hours in feeling good.
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