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Woke fringe. Jfc. You are very dumb.
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Go fuck yourself bigot. You are a truly awful human.
You are the moron in 1997 arguing against gay marriage because most of America were homophobes.
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How are they defining woke fringe? Am I woke fringe?!
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How about this not being a government position and get left up to the individual governing bodies who understand nuance?
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Usually when they label liberal, moderate, conservative it’s based on either self reporting or extrpolated from another question but then the pollsters keep with the neutral language. I’m going to guess woke fringe is not self reported which only leaves the pollsters adding in something. So either the graphic is fake, which is possible, or the Manhattan Institute decided to add in a little spin.
Why must you do this in so many goddamn threads?
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If American opinions on ICE have changed between 2024 and now, should Democratic elected officials hold 2024 opinions and still have those opinions today, hold 2026 opinions and had those since 2024, or support 2024 opinions and switch to 2026 opinions as American public opinion shifts?
Imagine sharing a Matty Iglesias post for any reason other than to mock him
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Biden’s (and many admins since bush) ICE wasnt measurably better. remember how they oopsy we dont know where they went like tens of thousands of kids? the only thing anyone’s complaining about now isnt the organization, that has always been like this, it’s now more brazenly like this
At first I just sighed and skimmed past this, but holy s*** someone really did put “woke fringe” on that chart.
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how dare you question the motives of the Manhattan Institute
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Assuming people didn’t self-identify as the woke Fringe, man, everybody involved in producing and distributing that chart is some combination of dishonest and stupid.
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If twice as many people in ICE custody died under Trump than Biden, is the lesson that ICE is worse under Trump or that Biden was also bad because people died while he was president?
Biden admin set up the very mechanisms that are being used now, dont pretend you dont know this
It’s interesting you and Yglesias post this about transgender rights, when party leadership is on the wrong side of actual 80/20 issues for their base like the genocide in Gaza.
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Calvin Coolidge established the border patrol, and George w bush started ice.
ok you’re gonna play the same game i won’t play too because it’ll attract replies from people i hate. do your own research i guess, or pretend trump is the very reason for all our problems, or cast blame at the entire system rather than blame the dad that gave his drunk teen the keys to the subaru. i dont care anymore to argue about it. just posting my beliefs
They could have just referred to them as democratic socialists or whatever. “Woke fringe” isn’t the term I would use, but they do have a rationale.
"For the purposes of this report, the Democratic coalition—or today’s Democrats—refers to (1) all 2024 Harris voters, regardless of party registration, and (2) all registered Democrats, including those who did not vote for Harris. To understand the coalition more precisely, we divide it into three analytically distinct blocs based on self-identified ideology:
Moderates (47% of the Democratic coalition)—voters who describe themselves as a “Moderate Democrat,” “Independent,” or “Anti-Trump Republican.”
Moderates form the largest segment of the coalition. With an average age of 53, they are somewhat more likely to be non-college graduates and are demographically diverse: 62% white, 17% black, 13% Hispanic, and 5% Asian. More than half live in suburban communities, and they are the most electorally flexible faction in the coalition—only 45% say they have never voted for a non-Democratic presidential candidate.
Progressive Liberals (37% of the Democratic coalition)—voters who describe themselves as a “Liberal Democrat” or “Progressive Democrat.”
Progressive Liberals are similar in age, averaging 52 years old. They are the whitest (65%, with 11% Hispanic, 17% black, 5% Asian) of the three groups and are evenly split between those with a college degree and those without. A large majority describe themselves as ideologically left leaning. This group is also disproportionately concentrated on the West Coast and in suburban areas.
The Woke Fringe (11% of the Democratic coalition)—voters who describe themselves as a “Democratic Socialist” or “Communist.”
The Woke Fringe stands apart demographically and attitudinally. It is the youngest faction, with an average age of 43 and seven in ten members under the age of 50. It is the group with the fewest Hispanics (6%) but the largest proportion of black (22%) and Asian voters (7%); 60% are white. This group is more likely to live in urban areas, particularly in the Northeast. Ideologically, it is the most consistently left-leaning faction, with a majority identifying as “very left-leaning.” Members of this group are also significantly more likely than other Democrats to report poor mental health (25%), compared to the other groups (14% for Moderates, 16% Progressive Liberals.)"