Amazing.
How so?
I said caloric excess is not heart healthy and gallon of milk is dumb. You said:
- Starting Strength and GOMAD are separate and not part of Starting Strength
I linked article of him saying otherwise:
- Copped out and said you disagree with him but he can decide what’s in his program whatever he wants.
He literally clarifies if you are not intaking excess calories you are not doing the program. So, don’t call it SS then?
Words cannot express how happy I am to not be in the middle of a calories argument for once.
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I don’t know what you’re trying to argue about. You can do the programming part of SS without drinking a gallon of milk a day. I mean that’s physically possible, right? What I’m saying is that is a better approach in most cases. You seem to be getting hung up on me calling that SS without GOMAD. Substitute whatever term you like. What do you propose I call it to avoid confusion in the future?
It’s a false dichotomy that his choices were do nothing or take medical advice from an internet forum. He was seeking out multiple chiropractors and a plastic surgeon, yet most of the pushback was on his ideas on soda calories and not his equally bad beliefs on medicine. Again, YTF wasn’t just a fat guy with a few extra pounds to lose. He had life history of morbid obesity and thus all of the associated risk factors that go along with that. H&F is mostly just an F forum which is to say not a great landing spot for people with actual health problems.
You said they were separate. Part of SS is caloric overload. He says it and talks about drinking a gallon of milk a day. You are just lifting weights if you are not doing that. He capitalizes it in the article.
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Holy shit bro. I don’t think he would even appreciate you talking about his program this way.
Sure you can do his weight regiment but he explicitly says it should include excessive calories and you seem to claim otherwise.
It seems equally false to suggest we could have gotten him to an LFS-like medical weight loss program if we just, I don’t know, tried harder?
No, I’m not claiming otherwise.
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I’m saying do his programming without the ridiculous surpluses. You still haven’t told me what I should call that to avoid confusing you. I obviously can’t call it SS because that confuses the fuck out of you. So what should I call it?
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I fully agree that Rip thinks that you should have a ridiculous surplus as part of SS. I don’t remember if GOMAD is explicitly in his book (I have the 2nd ed and I haven’t read it in years), but whether it’s there or not, it’s clear that he thinks this. I am not claiming otherwise.
Maybe try this. Where I posted this:
Imagine I posted this
I apologize for the confusion, but the latter is what I meant. And if I had even the faintest notion that someone would have been confused by what I meant, I’d have just written it that way to start.
Sure.
But you’re not doing SS then. My first post was that his program isn’t heart healthy with his suggestions of caloric excess. You told me that that’s actually not part of it SS but it is and you suggest doing a modified SS program. So, coolstorybro?
You’re on a super weird SS and 2p2 H&F defense bender imo.
I never suggested anything like that. I recommended he see experts, i.e., doctors who specializes in treating the obese. Him rapidly losing a bunch of weight and thinking he was in perfect health is a classic YTF trap. The kind of care he was looking for at that point was chiropractic and plastic surgery ffs. Where’s the H contingent of H&F jumping in to tell him how stupid that is and how much risk he’s carrying?
Is RIP the racist guru or homophobic guru that HF worships? I can’t keep it all straight anymore.
And let’s say he says, “I’m not doing that”. What’s your play then:
- Do nothing
- Try to give him some advice that may help
- Just keep trying
I’m not sure about either of those. He may be both. He’s a neck beard for sure.
I think he’s a bit of both. Sexist too. As mentioned earlier, the Rip slurping is way down these days. But not for those reasons. They actually think a lot of his advice is not great.
Maybe. It seems super weird that you would object considering that you don’t fundamentally disagree with what I think, but only have a huge problem with me using the term SS to refer to the lifting regimen alone.
I’m not sure if this is good news or bad news, but I don’t think any of these arguments are actually about calories.
Dude, this was the post I made that you started arguing about and telling me SS wasn’t about milk or calories.
I think programs like Starting Strength do not promote overall heart health and fitness. Right? We can see that? I mean, he recommends drinking a gallon of whole milk a day for gainz. When I felt my best I was able to jump rope for 30-45 minutes at a time while lifting weights, walking 10+ miles a day and also non-weight exercises like burpees, crunches, etc. Not a scientist so don’t rip me. I do know that lifting weights is a huge boon to keeping mobile when old though so I think there must be a balance.