Of course people won’t be able to log indefinitely. What about all of the thin people who never log anything and have far less nutrition knowledge than you? What do they have that you don’t?
I don’t honestly know. But I don’t think doctors do either. I think my choices are to be fat or to put insane amounts of effort into not being fat. And regarding the latter, I think the H&F forum was pretty valuable.
The answer is some which is more than none. If you’re saying YTF wasn’t serious enough about it to follow through even if someone rolled out the red carpet then ok I can buy that. I participate in several support groups where we routinely route people to experts who diagnose and cure them after being told they were simply fat from overeating.
Well it’s not none for the non-expert approach. I personally lost 70lbs pretty much just following the advice on there. And I’ve maintained at about -50 for a 5+ yrs (after the cut I intentionally bulked to gain strength, which in retrospect I didn’t do optimally). I should probably knock off that last 20 again.
And, yes, I am saying that he wasn’t going to follow through. So, at that point, if the choices are doing nothing or giving him the advice that he got, I think most would agree that the latter was the better of those two options.
I’ll agree that if we could have got him into some sort of specialized medical weight loss program, that would have been better still.
My specialized medical weight loss plan consisted of my doctor telling me to track my food and eat healthier.
Yeah, unfortunately that is the best that most people have access to.
However, there are specialized clinics that deal with this. I think @LFS mentioned that he went to one. Maybe he can pop over and tell us exactly what that is like. It’s very different from the cursory talk that you get from your PCP.
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Yeah I went here when it was still called the Risk Factor Obesity program: Medical Weight Management Program - Clinical Nutrition | UCLA Health
I went on a VLCD (very low calorie diet) for something like 60 days. Weekly in-person check ins with a doctor, weigh-ins, and regular blood draws (I can’t remember how regular). I lost around 60 pounds in those 60 days, maybe a little more actually (so that took me from 300 to 240ish). After I stopped the VLCD I started seeing a nutritionist and lost another 40. Since then I’ve been in the 215ish range for quite a while (I did the RFO program 10 years ago).
The RFO program offered meetings and some behavioral modification stuff that I didn’t do. The biggest impact the program had, aside from losing the weight, is that I consumed less than 1000 calories a day for 60 days and was basically fine. So mentally I just couldn’t go back to eating single meals that were significantly more calories than I’d been eating per day for two months. I began to think of food as fuel, nothing less or more than that.
I should note that I got sober in 2012, which has a ton to do with me being healthier physically. Not just because I’m not drinking and doing drugs, but because of how much healthier I am mentally. Food was one of the many things I used to try to “treat” the three-ring circus in my brain. Until I started treating the real problem (me), I was always going to find something outside of myself to try to feel better.
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I have a ton of respect for you for how you’ve conducted yourself in regards to your sobriety and how you interact with other people.
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Thanks man, I appreciate it.
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MLYLT got a Tijuana gastric bypass. I’d rather do HIIT or eat celery all day. Exercise sucks at first but when I’m in shape I eat whatever I want basically (mostly worry about not enough protein) and don’t feel right unless I do some sort of exercise daily as a stress relief. It gets to be way more of a stress relief than pain of exercise when you are in shape physically imo.
Like, it’s just addiction and not caring right? Filling fruit and vegetable snacks that cause you to eat less are skipped and filled in with high calorie junk food? A few bottles of wine a day, attending tastings and eating cheese and sausage, and no exercise caused my wine rep friend to have a stroke before 40 I’m out of my element wrt science but seems pretty basic unless you have psychologic issues like mentioned. I’ll bow out of this discussion.
Chain posting but I think programs like Starting Strength do not promote overall heart health and fitness. Right? We can see that? I mean, he recommends drinking a gallon of whole milk a day for gainz. When I felt my best I was able to jump rope for 30-45 minutes at a time while lifting weights, walking 10+ miles a day and also non-weight exercises like burpees, crunches, etc. Not a scientist so don’t rip me. I do know that lifting weights is a huge boon to keeping mobile when old though so I think there must be a balance.
That might be a good strategy for me to lose weight since I would be shitting my pants 24/7 lol.
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I’m good as long as I don’t quit the dairy. The last time I didn’t have dairy for 2-3 weeks or so and made a white cream based alfredo sauce with mozzarella and feta cheese & chicken pizza and drank milk with it was the worst gas I’ve ever had in my life.
I don’t want speak for all of H&F but I don’t think anyone who posts there regularly thinks GOMAD is a good idea for just about anyone.
Also pretty much no one slurps Rip like they used to.
So, you agree!
This is probably a sign I should stop dairy but it’s so fucking good. I get it.
Well, yeah.
Also, to be clear, SS is separate from GOMAD. You can do SS without some sort of massive caloric surplus (GOMAD or otherwise). There is no reason for a newb to even consider that. Someone just starting is gonna have months of newb gains before they hit a wall.
Dude, this is from an article from Mark:
Eating correctly may mean 6000 calories/day with a gallon of whole milk,
So, if you’re still drinking a gallon of milk a day eight months into the program, YNDTP. If you have only gained 8 pounds, either as a skinny guy or above your low point when you were losing bodyfat, YNDTP. If your squat has only increased 50 pounds, YNDTP.
Sounds like you aren’t familiar with the program.
Well I guess since it’s his program, he has the right to include ridiculous caloric surpluses in it if he wants. I personally think Rip’s approach w.r.t. caloric surpluses is stupid, and I think doing the SS programing with such massive caloric surpluses is suboptimal for most people.
Part of the reason why people often say “SS+GOMAD”, is because the SS doesn’t imply the GOMAD (the way most people use the terms). I get that Rip feels differently about that. Also we don’t really have a term for SS explicitly without the GOMAD, but if there was one, I’d use that.