He just said you were wrong on a point of fact. You were. He was kind of mean about it. Oh well, time for this idiotic derail to end.
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let the forum breathe, bro. Organic is best
@anon46587892 I want a āpin your yarmulke backā flare
Iām allowed as chosen peeps
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No, Actually what Iāve noticed is gay rights activists fighting homophobia for decades. Seems insulting to chalk this up to religions going through some natural evolutionary trend. They were led kicking and screaming into the 21st century.
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Saturday at noon in Venice Bernie has special guest AOC. I already told someone that I would work on Saturday but I am going to figure out how to do both.
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thatās more of a āback dat yarmulke upā flare
than pin it back lmao
any that legit have a pin to keep it in place, which you see with regularity ā¦ and on a head
that detail would be too small to see at flare size anyway
the trump one is perfect
When has it ever been different? The Catholic Church has been around for going on 2000 years. Iām not trying to assign credit, Iām saying that they can be dragged kicking and screaming into the present, usually 20 years after the present has come and gone.
They had a moment in 2012 where it was sort of possible if you squinted. Obviously they went in the complete opposite direction lol. Huge fuck up in the long run with the millions of boomers who die every year now. Huge.
They key idea behind them abandoning racism and homophobia is that they are ideas who decline in popularity every year, while the rest of the conservative platform (small government, pro business, general nationalism) could pick up a ton of new supporters. My generation is a lot less white and a lot less homophobic than even Gen X and we are already the largest pool of voters in the country. Weāre going to get bigger and bigger as we enter prime voting years.
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I just donāt see how that group of people would be made satisfied by that absurd theoretical alone.
thereās more substance to their worldview than just a selfish alleviation of their tribeās suffering.
like ok now we can vote our conservative principles, weāre no longer being bullied
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Youāre completely wrong about the number of nonwhite people and gay people who are naturally conservative. Exactly as many of them are conservative as white peopleā¦ and they have no option but to vote for the Democrats. Who exactly do you think is propping up Biden as we speak?
There are lots of random white women and white men who are LGBTQ who also arenāt big fans of government. Many of them grew up in conservative families and hold conservative views. They would be perfectly happy to not change a single one of them if their family of origin wasnāt insistent on persecuting them because of outdated ideas about gender and sexuality.
To assume that gays and minorities are inherently better people than anyone else is itself kind of racist/homophobic in a strange sort of way.
In the case of assuming that black people are inherently more liberal itās actually part of a subtle, but very harmful thing where black people are expected to be significantly better than whites to be deserving of the same stuff. Since weāre all liberal here basically our version of this is assuming that blacks are liberal, even though their support gives life to every conservative democrat in the 2020 race.
define conservative
I do not buy what youāre sellinā
Most issues have a liberal and a conservative side these days, and most people are not all one thing or another. Generally Iād consider being anti government and very religious conservative traits. These are extremely common things in the black community.
Then donāt buy it. I donāt buy half of the stuff I float here (does anyone actually think I think that Andrew Yang is going to win the nomination? Of course not. Itās extremely unlikely). This is one particular spot where Iām reasonably certain though.
It is definitely possible to alienate entire demographics (which would normally support you at roughly the same level as any other demo) by actively persecuting them. This seems super obvious and Iām not sure whatās controversial about it.
Black people vote Democrat because the alternative is to vote Republican, and they are basically Dixiecrats. Black people used to vote Republican when the Dixiecrats were still a big power block in the Democratic party.
Whichever side has the guys in robes burning crosses will have the African American community almost entirely unified in opposition to it. Not a huge shock either. Who can blame them for that?
Thank you. I was only mean after he said ājfc I actuqlly looked it up. who is lying nowā.
He was still wrong, still refusing to admit it and now on the attack. He seems to have an almost Trump like mentality with coming back with irrelevant, aggressive nonsense when he could have just admitted the mistake and instantly put it to bed like a sane adult.
āMost Americans Say the Current Economy Is Helping the Rich, Hurting the Poor and Middle Classā
Dems need to hammer this. Trump is helping the rich and leaving the lower and middle class out to dry. Its trump most often used talking point so take it away.
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There is not a conservative/liberal gene. It is directly related to how shitty your parents were on average.
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It just doesnāt jive. The American right-wing is not some repository of great ideas, hijacked by fundamentalists and otherwise attractive to minorities.
If you want to make that argument, youāre welcomed to. But efficient, effective government and freedom of religion are universal human values, whatever remote corner of the globe you search. Theyāre certainly not the trademarked original-thought of the right-wing.
And if weāre talking about the idea of makeovers for political parties, the Dems would be wise to do that as well. Dunno what demographic weāve persecuted, but weāve alienated plenty.
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For the first bit, both of those things are a lot scarcer than Iād like them to be, and you donāt have to be in a remote corner of the globe to find that - but it would be nice.
For the second, I strongly agree, although Iād argue persecution hasnāt been the usual problem - more like at best somewhat benign neglect, assuming theyāre going to vote for the Dems anyway, vs. actual contempt for anyone who doesnāt have their personal banker on speed dial.
MM MD
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And theyāll remain scare. Innate human corruption will see to that, as it always has. We were just spitballing the perceived greater ownership and association of certain ideas with political parties/philosophies.