Are you sure? Because the numbers are pretty damning.
Putting the blame on people that voted for a candidate they believed in who is clearly a better choice than the alternative seems counterproductive to me.
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Yes show your work or ban.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1199792304787050496
Ahh Well, maybe if, nah that wonât happen⌠Better to back the candidate who actually wants to do things to help the majority of the worst affected by capitalism.
Or are they not American enough?
I donât trust the nuance crowd to do anything other than maybe bail out private lenders for defaults on student loans.
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If everyone that voted for Trump voted for Hillary we would still be in a mess.
I assume jmakin is referring to stuff like:
https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/900164807961305088
Sure, some people who voted for Sanders in the primaries went for Trump, but it is also true that if Sanders had been the nominee, some people who voted for Hillary in the primaries would have voted for Trump in the general election. We canât quantify that, but thatâs just how elections work. People donât exist on a linear scale from liberal to conservative or even in a two-dimensional representation of beliefs such as the Nolan chart.
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weeeeeird fucking hill to die on dude. These numbers are pretty well documented and have been discussed a lot over the last 3 years. Iâm not sure whether you know that or not. Seems no.
Hereâs a good starting point analysis. If you want me to grab the specific polling information I can but I really donât want to because youâre wrong and even doing this much work was annoying.
Mitch McConnel for four years: according to precedent itâs the next POTUS who gets to nominate a justice.
Dems: deeply concerned
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The polling information is substantial enough and there were enough votes even at the most conservative estimates that suggest, very strongly so, that it probably affected the results of the election.
So itâs bad that Bernie got independents, people who donât normally vote or at least donât normally vote Democrat to vote for him?
ie. Hillary was never getting those voters
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Iâm not suggesting anything even remotely like that or anything about a candidate in particular whatsoever. The point I was addressing was that âprotest votes donât matter anyway.â
They clearly do, and did matter.
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I meant more that Hillary would not of moved the needle as far as improving the lives of ordinary people.
Less kids would be in cages but I wonder if we would even know about it.
But youâre assuming that those votes would have gone to Hillary if they werenât protesting.
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No, even if those votes had stayed home, it would have been a favorable result for hillary. The math adds up.
This is a really dead horse of an argument that Iâm not interested in having because the numbers are so convincing. There is a lot of good analyses of the topic out there if you are curious to know more.
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I thought we were referring to protest votes as voting for a 3rd party or writing in Bernie.
I donât think Bernie primary voters voting for one of the two candidates is a protest vote but I guess thatâs where we differ.
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Youâre saying people who voted for Trump would have not voted for Trump if Bernie never ran?
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Iâm guessing jmakin is assuming that all the Bernie to trump voters did that out of spite for Bernie losing and otherwise wouldnât have voted or even voted for Hillary if they werenât just assholes
If the venn diagram of likely trump supporters (had bernie not existed) and past bernie supporters has a lot of overlap, that doesnt really improve my opinion of the typical bernie supporter
âTypicalâ? So the sources youâve studied are talking about over 50% of Bernie supporters?
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