Good polling uses weighting to correct for demographically unrepresentative samples.
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āMedicare for all who want itā sounds fine, but I think it falls short of āabolish all private insuranceā both in moral terms AND in practicality of implementation. In this case, I donāt care that the general public ālikesā their private insuranceāthese companies profit by denying needed care, which is morally wrong and should not be supported. Additionally, we need to simplify our system, and a forced single-payer solution is as simple as it gets.
If Joe Biden wants to move leftward to āMedicare for all who want it,ā Iāll applaud his moveāwhile still thinking heās total shit and hoping his primary bid fails completely. But we need more Dems out there saying āprivate insurance is bad, we support single payer,ā not fewer, and I donāt want to see mediocre poll results causing Dem candidates to start the healthcare debate from a compromise position.
TL/DR: fuck the polls imo
Except thereās massive proof he is.
I donāt think for a moment that Pete is anti-Black people, and I think even ācluelessā is probably hyperbole, however I do think that his actions have shown at least an ignorance about race that points to a legitimate issue in an era of increased desire for social justice. I think pointing out this ignorance is a fair criticism.
My only problem with keeping private insurers around is that it gives a lot of opportunities for providers to either outright refuse to accept Medicare, or to provide preferential treatment for privately insured individuals. If we can effectively legislate against that and enforce that legislation then Iām fine with allowing private insurers to exist, I just donāt really trust that will be the case.
Itās not a compromise position if itās what most of the party wants!
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We can move this to the healthcare thread, but I think an additional problem with keeping private insurers around is that denial-of-coverage remains incentivized due to the profit motives inherent in these corporations, i.e. weāve reduced the problem but not eliminated it. Iād rather fight to eliminate the problem.
Maybe we can keep private, supplemental plans for something like cosmetic surgeries, where no risk to life exists due to an issue going untreated, idk.
I didnāt mean ācompromiseā as in compromise with Republicans, I meant it more as compromising away from the ideal solution to get to a less-good solution. In this case, weād be compromising with ourselvesāI agree. (I think you stated above, and I think these polls show that many Dems might agree with you, that something short of single-payer is the āideal solutionāāI just think this position is wrong and no amount of poll results will change that, and therefore I donāt want anyone who thinks that single-payer is ideal to compromise that position just due to poll results.)
The idea is that the problem will be eliminated once the Medicare for All/government insurance is proven to be effective. You stack the deck such that Medicare/government insurance is the no brainer option, leaving private insurance as an option only to assuage people who are psychologically risk/change averse. After a few years, these change averse people see that Medicare for All/government insurance is superior and switch on their own. Voila, private insurance is virtually gone and you accomplished it w/ massive political support.
Stacking the deck in Medicare/government insuranceās favor should be no problem for politicians who want to to do so since it can be massively subsidized by the government.
In reality, if thatās the only viable path to single-payer, I guess it is what is. But Iām wary because this:
also means that it can be massively un-subsidized by the government. I do not trust the American people to not vote in Republicans, and once in I do not trust those Republicans to honor the aspects of the law that are necessary to make things worth (see, Obamacare). If the deck gets un-stacked, does this still become a viable path to single-payer? Perhaps, but I donāt think so.
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And one of the reasons why people (even on the left-ish side) are wary of single payer is that the Republicans can mess with that system too if they are in power. Obviously, the more people on Medicare the harder it will be to do, but Rās arenāt going to want to pay for these types of programs even if private insurance doesnāt exist. Theyāll still try to cut the budget, prohibit negotiations with pharmaceutical companies, prevent coverage of birth control while funneling money to crisis pregnancy centers, allow religiously-affiliated institutions to turn away patients, and all of their current shenanigans.
They can try to do all of that regardless what system is in place, so letās just implement the best system. The system that will be incredibly popular with the American public if implemented. The system that will make it the most difficult for Republicans to mess with because of how popular it will be.
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Thatās a lot to make up, and also a lot of make up (on Jake Tapper)
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Does M4A have to mean abolishing all private insurance? Iām for a public tier that is single-payer with rationed health care that would allow for private supplemental insurance for people who want to be able to skip waiting lines and similar stuff.
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Fixed
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No, I think thatās about as fair as you get in current pollingā¦ But thereās still no explanation of some of the benefits of single payer, and most people probably donāt know the particulars. So it speaks to the question of where weād be if Democrats were actually trying to educate the public on these things.
This still shows a majority of Americans supporting it, and that itās been as high as 59-38 which is +21 favorability, which is fantastic.
Sure, but itās not going to be free under any of the plans the candidates are proposing.
If thatās the case I want to see what their model looks likeā¦ because it sure looks to me like they arenāt polling people under 40 almost at all.
too much for me to catch up/comment on. Itās pointless anyway. I can try to offer facts to correct narratives but weāve seen how well that works.
https://twitter.com/crimsonpostgrad/status/1196416116635123712?s=20
Since this place is basically twitter with no character limit, thatās how Iām going to post from now on.
have a video. In which yours truly has a bit part.
also
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Congrats Sky. No matter how this may eventually turn out, there are many here who are very happy for you.
Yeah people are turning on Pete because heās gay and doing better in a white state. Continue ignoring the racism and bullshit policies.
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