I think that it IS there, but 18 months of concern trolling in the media about electability and whether the party is ready to elect a progressive dampens it and really wears people down.
But I agree that Biden is probably the favorite, not over 50% though imo.
The fact that anyone prefers the plan on the right to the plan on the left may be a political reality but saying you personally prefer a vague unrealistic one liner to a detailed description of things we might be able to accomplish if the stars align doesnāt reflect positively on this forum as a home of high reasoned political thought. Everyone jumping off the Warren train because of a misrepresentation of her actual plan even less so.
She apparently misrepresented her actual plan for a while to appeal to liberalsā¦ or sheās misrepresenting it now to appeal to moderates. Iām not interested in gambling with my vote on which is which. Itās not like Warren was pressed in a debate or in an interview for what sheād do if the Senate is against her or 50-50 and she doesnāt have the votes for true M4A, she just decided to water down her position on her own.
As for a vague, unrealistic one-liner. Is it? Maybe. Maybe not. Press him on it, and see what he says. Maybe heāll put the screws to every Democratic senator. Maybe heāll refuse to move on anything less substantial until that gets an up or down vote, then heāll work within the constraints of what is doable.
But either way, I know where Bernie stands on the issue. I know what he thinks is the best solution (and heās right by the way). I know what heāll fight for.
Now all I know about Liz is that she really really really wants to be president very badly and sheāll flip flop some positions to make it happen if she has toā¦ even the most important position to her base.
Normally itās not until the general election that the Democratic candidate pisses off their base by moving to the center from their primary position. Sheās doing it just over 11 weeks BEFORE the Iowa caucusā¦
And what does he do the next week and the week after that when itās clear heāll never get it through Congress? Looking forward to that tweet.
All of these moderate arguments boil down to āyou canāt advocate for good policies if Republicans still exist in Congressā.
Like āah, but have you considered that your bill might not pass? What then!ā a.) is a really convenient way to avoid having to discuss which policy is actually better and b.) equally applies to these half measure public option plans.
lolwut
Her previous plan was to sign on to Bernieās plan, and her new plan is not as different as youāre making it out to be.
The criticism that the plans from a Presidential candidate are insufficiently detailed is wrong headed imo. Executive branch doesnāt/shouldnāt write legislation. It was a fault of the Obama administration that they drafted legislation that was literally thousands of pages long, not an accomplishment.
The New Deal didnāt start itās life as a huge document.
And lol at the electorate being detail oriented
This is probably the truest take. Slogans are enough, I guess. And probably the only thing that will work.
Isnāt there a little disconnect between these two takes:
None of this legislation is actually going to pass
Letās expect fully drafted legislation and act like weāre voting on it right now.
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Compromise to the plan Warren just laid out?
That would be acceptable to me. But starting from the compromise position is just unfathomable to me. It shows an unwillingness to fight. Itās 2019; we have evidence from the past decade+ on what happens when you try to negotiate in good faith with Republicans. Itās time to wake the fuck up.
Right. Warrenās plan still abolishes private insurance and institutes single payer. It makes no sense to act like this plan is a craven political move, because she still has to eat attacks from Biden and Pete about it being too expensive and depriving people of their precious private health insurance, and now she will also eat attacks on her sincerity from the left.
What this actually is, imo, is Warrenās honest assessment of how to do the most good and create the greatest chance of single payer happening in a world where everyone agrees that single payer in the first 100 days is not happening under any President.
Lol @ Warrenās plan being a negotiate with Republicans plan. Like where the fuck does this bullshit come from?
That is not the point.
So to be clear here your position is that the left should start negotiating against itself 14 months before the next president takes office?
Cause Iāve got news for you, the GOP response to all of it is going to be āNo.ā
No, it doesnāt. It pretends it wants to. We all know thereās no way weāre passing two major healthcare bills in one term. In fact, it sounds like a great way to mess around and lose the Senate in the midterm.
Giving people something way way better than the status quo sounds like a better way to win the midterms than spending your first 100 days failing to do something.
She purports to support single payer. Sheās moving to the right on the issue. I mean the GOP has no plan and will never move from that position so really sheās negotiating with herself.