This is why I hate libertarians with a passion. Government is the only thing standing between me and the idiot masses.
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I still say Biden will get more votes in a general in the important states than Warren would. Even with all the fuckups and UKRAINE UKRAINE UKRAINE UKRAINE UKRAINE non stop.
I havenāt really been paying attention to the 2020 debates but just realized that Warren has endorsed Medicare For All? What a gift wrapped present to Trump. Cost estimates start at $14 trillion (Sanders) and go up to $32 trillion over ten years. Thatās totally a winning position when 90%+ Americans already have health insurance.
Might as well run Mayor Pete, now.
Youāve obviously been paying super duper extra special close attention
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Honestly, I didnāt think there was much to pay attention to. I know everything Biden would say. I know everything Sanders will say. I thought Warren was smart but apparently she is an idiot.
We got a live one!
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Why do you think all the other candidates are running away from Bernieās plan? The only way Trump wins is if you beat yourself. All you need to do is give vague answers about a public option and increasing taxes on the wealthy.
Im going through Youtube clips now where they ask her about raising taxes to pay for it and she is rambling on for ten minutes like someone who wandered away from an assisted living facility. This is a complete disaster.
Warrenās message hasnāt been great wrt M4all and as Bernie wrote the bill its better for M4all supporters to vote for him, imo.
Trump: My health care plan is something about lines between states.
Everyone on earth not Bernie Sanders: I support more liberal healthcare stuff. Tax the rich. Derp.
Warren: I support this super specific healthcare plan that is going to cost between $14-$30 trillion.
Lisa Simpson obviously learned nothing from 2016.
this x100
I see youāve done a lot of research about the cost of those plans. Whats the current projected cost of healthcare in America over the next 10 years if we do nothing? How does it compare?
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The trouble is, at some nebulous point in this primary, maybe back around march? April? All of a sudden, the term āmedicare for allā came to mean, at least for the far left, Bernieās plan, eliminate insurance companies, and do it in 4 years. Now if you arenāt for Bernieās 4-year plan, youāre āagainst M4Aā and should be summarily drawn and quartered for being a republican.
I mean, if you had asked me in February if I was for āmedicare for allā i would have said yes. I mean, I still am, but I am NOT for Bernieās plan, and I think we need a more measured approach. I know that makes me pariah and outcast on this board, but itās true. If I could mash up Kamalaās, Betos, and Peteās plans (taking some from each) that would probably be my preference.
Skydiver8,
Does Mayor Pete have a plan intending to lead to publicly paid for medical care or coverage for everyone in any time frame?
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Weāve been through this regarding the messaging. Medicare for All meant single payer. When the establishment saw that the messaging was working well, they co-opted it to use it for more moderate plans. Now the left is doing its best to grab it back.
You conveniently leave out the first part every single time you bring it up.
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Not entirely sure it applies the same way. His plan immediately enrolls low income uninsured and those in states that refuse medicaid expansion, but thereās no upper time limit. But thatās why I said a mashup of Kamala and Betoās plan, with Peteās. 10 years is more realistic than 4, though still a tad ambitious, imho.
Also, I would love to see anyone elseās plan address hospital and admin costs like Peteās does.
Ugh, Cuse, I āleave it outā because in MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE itās exactly how I say it was. Medicare for all, to me and many like me (who werenāt as tuned into the debate or whatever), meant universal coverage. I mean, you can choose to believe Iām lying, I guess. Stop accusing me of that bullshit, because it isnāt fucking true.
And back to lurking I go, because hereās the long and short of it: Health care is not one of my top issues for this election, and since this thread is only ever about it, Iāll go back to laughing at Trump and posting pictures of ceilings.
I got punked on twitter several months ago by a Bernie supporter because I didnāt realize M4A was a bill sitting in Congress. I thought it was another name for universal health care.
Iām relatively informed, I can only imagine what the general population thinks about anything.
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Iām more opposed to the means testing than the time frame. Medical care unless youāre not broke. If youāre not quite broke, and need medical care, just hold on a sec, youāll be broke soon and we got you. If you donāt need much care, itās all good, just keep paying Aetna.
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no no you canāt say that, cuse will accuse you of being dishonest in some way
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I would refer you to Krugmanās article. I can barely type in complete sentences.