Who will run in 2020?

[otatop]

@superuberbob

Bernie is independent and has been fighting for the same things for his entire political career whereas Warren is a former Republican.

My problem with Bernie this time around is that he’s still fighting for things at a very superficial level.
For example Jobs for All :

Jobs for All

When we are in the White House, we will enact a federal jobs guarantee, to ensure that everyone is guaranteed a stable job. There is more than enough work to be done in this country. Let’s do it.

In the wealthiest nation in the history of the world, everyone who can work in America should have the right to a decent-paying job. We can and should have a full-employment economy. In 1944, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt talked about the right of every American to have a job. That was true then. It is true today. A job guarantee will lower the crime rate, improve mental health, and create a stronger sense of community. It will create a much healthier and happier America. A full-employment economy is not a radical idea. That means:

• As part of the Green New Deal, we need millions of workers to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure—roads, bridges, drinking water systems, wastewater plants, rail, schools, affordable housing—and build our 100% sustainable energy system. This infrastructure is critical to a thriving, green economy.
• At a time when our early childhood education system is totally inadequate, we need hundreds of thousands of workers to provide quality care to the young children of our country.
• As the nation ages, we will need many more workers to provide supportive services for seniors to help them age in their homes and communities, which is where they want to be.

Sounds great but there’s nothing there about how he plans to guarantee jobs. Let’s compare with Warren’s site and her Rebuild the Middle Class page:

REBUILD THE MIDDLE CLASS

After decades of largely flat wages and exploding household costs, millions of families can barely breathe. For generations, people of color have been shut out of their chance to build wealth. It’s time for big, structural changes to put economic power back in the hands of the American people.

That means putting power back in the hands of workers and unions. It also means transforming large American companies by letting their workers elect at least 40% of the company’s board members to give them a powerful voice in decisions about wages and outsourcing. And it means a new era of strong antitrust enforcement so giant corporations can’t stifle competition, depress wages, and drive up the cost of everything from beef to Internet access.

As the wealthiest nation in the history of the world, we can make investments that create economic opportunity, address rural neglect, and a legacy of racial discrimination–if we stop handing out giant tax giveaways to rich people and giant corporations and start asking the people who have gained the most from our country to pay their fair share.

That includes an Ultra-Millionaire Tax on America’s 75,000 richest families to produce trillions that can be used to build an economy that works for everyone, including universal childcare, student loan debt relief, and down payments on a Green New Deal and Medicare for All. And we can make a historic investment in housing that would bring down rents by 10% across America and create 1.5 million new jobs.

Actual plans, with links to even more detailed parts of the plans. Bernie has great ideas, I just don’t know if he can effectively enact them.

[anon38180840]

We’ll name your pony Bronze.

[Trolly]

By god, every recent appearance Biden looks like a stumbling, befuddled old man. How in fuck is this the best guy the DNC could find. WAAF

[anon38180840]

@Trolly

By god, every recent appearance Biden looks like a stumbling, befuddled old man. How in fuck is this the best guy the DNC could find. WAAF

He’s not. The DNC wasn’t looking for the best. They were looking for the DNCest, and he’s the DNCest.

[nunnehi]

They apparently didn’t really want a woman. They’re seemingly warming up to Warren and Pete, because…Biden.

[anon38180840]

I think the establishment is warming up to Harris and Booker. I think they’re only warming up to Warren to the extent that she’s not Bernie, and Pete to the extent that he’s a good VP candidate for a lot of others.

[nunnehi]

They’re already losing interest in Harris. Based on the last debate, all the establishment Dems were tweeting about how amazing Booker was. Not one mention of Castro.

[anon38180840]

I don’t think the establishment is paying as much attention to the swings as we are, the establishment talking heads being the exception for obvious reasons. The establishment will probably just unite around whoever is in the best shape out of their top 3-4 after South Carolina.

[hokie]

Guys, the DNC is just playing 8D chess here. They’re pushing Biden as the front-runner so he can be the punching bag while the other candidates get to push their agendas mostly unmolested.

Joe is the sacrificial heat shield protecting the DNC satellite that is reentering the political atmosphere and is definitely not headed for a crash landing.

[nunnehi]

[WichitaDM]

@hokie

Joe is the sacrificial heat shield protecting the DNC satellite that is reentering the political atmosphere and is definitely not headed for a crash landing.

I so very much want this to be true. But based on everything we know about the DNC this is very unlikely to be true.

[anon38180840]

Unfortunately, the truth is that we’re like one cycle away from the DNC courting Kasich or Romney to go after those oh-so-coveted moderate Republican votes. Then they’ll have their best lawyers looking into whether having George W. Bush switch parties would make him constitutionally eligible to serve a third term.

[PabloHoney]

Those are pretty bad takes considering Biden is likely the Baby Boomers’ last stand.

[hokie]

Sorry I assumed the “crash landing” bit would serve as a “/s”

[PabloHoney]

I wasn’t referring to your take.

[nonfiction]

Yeah that is what is super confusing to me (on top of hating Bernie but loving AOC, lol); how is someone constantly “changing their mind” Kamala Harris style somehow better than someone who has a set of political beliefs that they have stuck to their entire career?

Like, there are some legitimate criticisms of Bernie, and I get thinking that Warren may be a better option because she might have a better chance of getting things done. But criticizing a socialist because they have maintained their socialist political positions literally makes 0 sense.

[skydiver8]

Not me. This is probably partly because I’m a woman, but I just don’t like condescending old men who try to yell me into submission. It automatically puts me on the defensive and makes me grouchy and uncomfortable. I suspect I am not alone in this view. That’s why i won’t vote for Bernie this time. I voted for him in the 2016 primary because I knew he wasn’t getting the nomination but I wanted his ideas on the platform.

Now, his ideas are on the platform, we can actually pick a better messenger.

[LouisCyphre]

@skydiver8

If France, New Zealand, Ireland, Austria, Estonia, and several others can have leaders under or just around age 40, I don’t see why we can’t

In the case of Austria that didn’t work out so well.

[anon92450360]

Either Michelle Obama or Oprah could throw their hats in the ring this weekend and instantly poll at 60%+ butnahh we are getting our own dotard

[skydiver8]

hmm, true, but most of that was on the vice chancellor, I thought. i didn’t follow it that closely.