Who’s “we?” Pretty sure Bernie is top 3 at worst for the vast majority of the posters here.
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If you mean he’s a lot of people’s third choice sure. He’s not even top 5 for me, and I suspect a lot of people agree with me there.
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Aoc’s experience as a bartender is also a huge plus. When she is 55 or 60 and has a lot of government experience it will still be something that adds value that she had experience in a much more typical working-class life.
Agreed completely here. Far too many of our leaders have zero real world experience with what it’s like to be anything but powerful.
Which is why so many of the GOP’s attacks on AOC are some variant of ‘why is this serving wench acting like she knows stuff?’
Actually being a serving wench is a super educational experience. They have no experience of what normal life is like for basically any of us. It’s not an accident that Warren comes from ordinary roots… Which is why she’s going to connect hard with midwestern ‘red’ voters. She’s that teacher who was the best thing that ever happened to them when they were a kid. She has a deep reservoir of shared experiences to draw upon when she’s speaking with them. That’s why her stump speech starts with 20 minutes of shared experience mixed with tie ins to her policy proposals.
Or their experience is laughably outdated and they wonder why kids complaining about student loans didn’t simply work a summer job to pay for college.
I’ve googled the heck out of it dude. I can’t find a single major shift that wasn’t simply updating to the latest left wing talking point. Somehow he lived through the 70’s without realizing that price controls are bad. The Venezuelan regime went full blown totalitarian and he still hasn’t changed his mind about that. I’ve said this repeatedly in this thread and nobody has bothered to link anything.
That’s because the man doesn’t really change his mind about anything he believes in. Because he’s an idealist. Which is completely fine for a Senator, but a huge problem for the POTUS.
It’s also my own personal take on Bernie. I didn’t get it from anyone else.
EDIT: I also think a jobs guarantee is dystopian as fuck. Like truly the worst left wing policy out there. Such a horrible horrible idea. It’s been tried before, and it’s not a coincidence that every place it’s been tried was a true dystopia.
Yeah this too. But that’s boomers in general tbh.
If France, New Zealand, Ireland, Austria, Estonia, and several others can have leaders under or just around age 40, I don’t see why we can’t. Shit, the founding fathers were mostly in their early 30s.
The thing is no one is actually qualified to be POTUS. There’s no other job remotely like it.
This. I have an analogy, if you’ll indulge me. a few years ago, I did the Camino de Santiago (where you walk ~800 km across northern Spain). The average day was 20-30 km, or about 6-7 hours of walking. The first week destroyed me, and I had been going on super long hikes in preparation every weekend, and shorter hikes every day. The thing is, I met people on the way who were ultra runners, marathoners, and triathletes, and every single one of them said the same thing: “the first week destroyed me.” There is literally no way to train for the Camino other than doing the Camino. Obviously those guys got over the initial difficulties faster than most but still. There is nothing else like it. But by week 2, you get the hang of it, you get a rhythm going, and you don’t feel so fatigued at the end of the day.
This is how i see the presidency. you can “train” as much as people say you should, but in the end, there is literally nothing else like it, and you get thrown in there and you have to learn. That’s why the ability to learn, listen, absorb info, delegate, and lead is much more important to me than age or “experience”.
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We should all be out canvasing for non-Biden candidates. I am in a super Tuesday state that should be wide open and am signing up to canvas for Warren.
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We really all should throw our weight behind Warren. She’s the best candidate in the field and is broadly acceptable to most of us. I’d really be interested to hear what people don’t like about Warren… because I gotta be honest I don’t see many downsides.
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“Behind every great fortune is a great crime.”
-Honoré de Balzac
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In the end, Warren is part of the establishment. She is towards the left end of it but is part of it nonetheless. Bernie is independent and has been fighting for the same things for his entire political career whereas Warren is a former Republican.
I wouldn’t be angry if Warren got the nom but I’d be way more excited if Bernie got it.
Not really. Billionaires are just really successful people basically. The better ones are the ones who know they got immensely lucky and are frantically trying to figure out the most helpful way to give it away.
I have a hard time hating the better ones… but they would probably agree that billionaires being a thing is a policy failure.
That doesn’t change the fact that most of them are sociopaths lol.
I’m throwing my weight behind whichever of Bernie/Warren is viable come my primary. I am just assuming that is going to be Warren at this point. I doubt they both make it through to ST. Or at least I should say it would be a strategic mistake for both of them to make it to then. One of them will pull significantly ahead and the other should drop out and support the remaining candidate.
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Nahh
Same. The last thing we need is a fracture between the Bernie and Warren camps (maybe can throw Pete in here too) that lets Biden waltz into victory.
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Fine but if Bernie refuses to drop out when it becomes obvious that Warren has the progressive lane locked down I’m going to be salty af… And I’m going to expect every pro Bernie person in this thread to admit that he’s an asshole who cares more about his own ego than the country.
EDIT: To be clear I’ll also soften my anti Bernie stance if he drops out cleanly without risking a Biden win.
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I’d like to add something else to my “why I like Pete” column. He puts out policy that seems to recognize how interconnected the issues we’re facing are. He recognizes that you can’t just put “climate change” and “health care” and immigration" and “racial justice” into separate columns without accounting for how they all affect each other.
for example, he just released a health care policy paper focused on rural health, and I see mentions of immigration, tech, racial equality, and climate in there. Now, I know next to nothing about rural public health issues, but it seems that big picture stuff like how we can reform immigration based on other issues, or provide a real reason for expanding broadband service that people can identify with is something everyone should be doing.
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