War crimes in Ukraine: Just asking questions about both sides

[anon10396289]

Like I said nothing I said means any individual story is false. I’m sure many, many such anecdotes are true. I’m sure John agrees.

[d2_e4]

So what the fuck is your point with this both-sidesing horseshit? Any stories of Ukrainians coming over to Moscow and raping and killing over there that we need to be aware of?

[anon10396289]

This is my point:

@anon10396289

So you might take John’s comments as defending or denying Russian war crimes. I’m sure that he acknowledges that there are many violent crimes taking place during the invasion, which once the invasion starts is inevitable. That’s certainly what I think, there are obviously many innocents being killed. He’s being cautious in saying that the war crimes and killings of civilians are systematic or a matter of policy, which I think is appropriate. You guys are closely following the war through Ukrainian and Western propaganda, which is going to be hugely biased against Russia on that question. His second, related point is that civilians are being armed and encouraged to fight. This is obviously massively dangerous for those civilians, who are likely to end up dead very quickly facing trained Russian soldiers. But I took his point to be that the more that civilians take up arms against Russian soldiers, the more violent and hostile the Russian soldiers are going to be against all Ukrainian civilians. This is plainly true and would be true for any invading army. And it’s directly related to the question of is killing civilians a deliberate policy or not, which is why I think John mentions it.

[d2_e4]

This has already been addressed point by point by various posters including me, and I have no inclination to go round in circles on it with you until you ejaculate.

[anon10396289]

Ok?

[d2_e4]

Ok, what? The not-so-subtle implication is that you seem impervious to learning anything or changing your mind about anything when provided with counterpoints, even though your own arguments are so weak that you have to circle back to your original, already debunked argument.

[anon10396289]

Ah, you must have missed my subtle implication that I don’t think you’ve in any way addressed my points.

[MasterofthePwn]

What the fuck is the fucking point of this though? To put it in terms you understand, once the Iraq war happened, shit like Abu Ghraib was bound to happen…… and so Abu Ghraib just added to Bush’s list of crimes. Period.

But you and your delusional protege are so caught up in the great Russian bear poking narrative you can’t help pulling the “not saying the Russians aren’t wrong but….” routines on some of the most despicable acts imaginable.

[d2_e4]

@MasterofthePwn

But you and your delusional protege Svengali

FYP

[MimosaDef]

yeesh

[Trolly]

Are you guys brand new to the keed experience here or what?

[d2_e4]

I am brand new to the experience of any seemingly civilised human being both-sidesing rape and murder. It’s hardly the same thing as trolling the “shall we ban the C word” thread.

[anon10396289]

I’m not both sidesing rape and murder. Read what I wrote.

[d2_e4]

@anon10396289

Read what I wrote.

I did. Maybe you should.

[anon10396289]

Where do you think I both sides rape and murder?

[d2_e4]

@anon10396289

I didn’t say they were equal. I said that both sides are propagandizing nonstop. Take the Iraq War as an example. The US was 100% at fault but I’d be a fool to take anything that Baghdad Bob said at face value.

Plenty of examples. Here is one. I’m sure there are better ones, I’m just not going to go back through your illustrious posting in this thread.

[MrWookie]

@anon10396289

So you might take John’s comments as defending or denying Russian war crimes. I’m sure that he acknowledges that there are many violent crimes taking place during the invasion

By who, Keeeeed, by fucking who?

Could it be the Iraqis? The Indonesians? Perhaps Luxembourg sent their troops to rape and murder? Maybe the Ukrainians themselves raped their own women and murdered their own mayors and their families, sneaking behind enemy lines to do so. I mean, that is what Moscow claims, so who really is to know who did the raping and executing?

That is what ur boi is saying when he casts uncertainty about the war crimes. It’s not about maybe that woman with her hands tied and skull ventilated may have been reaching for a gun. It’s echoing Moscow’s line that maybe it was a Ukrainian false flag, not the Russians. That is the uncertainty that Mearsh is going to bat for.

[LouisCyphre]

Russian forces executed civilians in Ukraine, Amnesty International says

[d2_e4]

Ah, you found some more biased Western sources. I’ll believe it when the Kremlin issues a press release.

[anon10396289]

What do you disagree with? You don’t think that the Ukrainian government is engaging in deceptive propaganda?