War crimes in Ukraine: Just asking questions about both sides

https://twitter.com/DylanPrimakoff/status/1513501675922677762

Old friend alert.

https://twitter.com/DylanPrimakoff/status/1513501677407522820

https://twitter.com/DylanPrimakoff/status/1513501678686724097

Guess that naked baby in a basement and the family with their hands bound could have been enemy combatants. You never know.

https://twitter.com/DylanPrimakoff/status/1513501679978627074

https://twitter.com/DylanPrimakoff/status/1513529733069254656

https://twitter.com/jan_smolenski/status/1513532270744944645

https://twitter.com/jokelley/status/1513532016939122695

https://twitter.com/UrbanAchievr/status/1513527675482255366

https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status/1513531811766444039

https://twitter.com/jokelley/status/1513535815523213314

https://twitter.com/JFTypeSVR/status/1513557996365914119

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Probably worth listening to John’s comments in total (I know, I know!), which to me come across very differently than the fragments presented in those tweets:

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I knew that post would be like a moth to a flame for you. Nah not gonna watch your youtube.

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No shit!

But as always that won’t stop you from having an unstoppably strong opinion about what he said.

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Is the gist of the comments in full “well, if she had just put out, she wouldn’t have got raped”?

Because if so, I’m pretty sure I’ve heard the same argument in plenty of other contexts before and don’t need to hear it again.

exactly

Dude is going out of his way to muddy the waters on war crimes. Oh the Russians get pissed that some of the Ukrainian men were volunteers and committed war crimes? NO SHIT. Wow such brilliant insight.

Ok I listened. It matched the transcript I provided in the tweet. Why exactly did I need to hear the same words I just read?

“It’s obviously very hard to tell exactly what happened.”

Yes, who knows the Ukrainians might be murdering entire families in cellars, including babies, and tying up their own civilians and shooting them, and somehow getting every survivor’s story to perfectly line up. Fuck off. It’s not hard to tell what happened if you actually give a shit to look into it. Mearsheimer can go to hell.

https://twitter.com/russiahandsoff/status/1511424842142261251

Clearly this woman could be lying. It’s obviously very hard to tell what happened.

I did watch it (I appreciate you cuing up the relevant part), and he comes across exactly as he is portrayed in the Twitter comments. There is zero mitigating context.

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You mean keeed is just phoning in his trolling and making us do work for no reason? SHOCKED

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He just said that it’s very difficult to know exactly what’s going on (obviously true), and that civilians are being encouraged to fight the Russian invaders (this is also well documented). The latter is obviously relevant when you’re talking about civilian casualties – if those civilians had taken up arms, they’re legitimate targets. This doesn’t deny that Russian atrocities have taken place, just saying that it’s a complex situation and we don’t know what’s actually happening.

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fuck off guy

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Yeah and the girl who got raped was walking in a bad neighborhood (obviously true) in a tight dress (this is also well documented).

A) The person who brings this up is an asshole.

B) This doesn’t absolve the rapist in even the tiniest way.

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John doesn’t absolve Russia of responsibility in his comments? So yes, good analogy.

You realise this is literally the staple of all propaganda that is deisgned to defend the indefensible, right?

Obfuscate, then equivocate, then drop the “both-sides” bomb.

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Do you think we can’t grasp that the Russians were pissed that some Ukrainian civilian volunteers had taken up arms to defend their country, and were trying to send a message by committing atrocities against civilians? How is this some kind of great insight? How does it change anything?

It doesn’t. Not if you think about it for very long. It just deflects, muddies up the waters and offers a life presever for people who are already invested in Meirsheimer’s overall thesis that Ukraine should just lie back and accept whatever happens to them w/o resisting too much.

That isn’t Mearsheimer’s thesis!

Yes, sure the Russians may or may not have done some bad things. But it’s so hard to tell what’s really going on. And and also the Russians are really mad that civilians have taken up arms to defend their country from the 2022 version of Nazis (imagine!).

Jordan Peterson didn’t say that! Just watch his videos. No I can’t put it into my own words or describe how you’re wrong. But I know he didn’t say it exactly like that. Just listen to him talk. He sounds so smart!

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Weird how they only started doing the day that a bunch of fascist animals crossed their border with weapons in hand. Must be a coincidence!

Who’s to say? The truth is unknowable.

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