Ukraine War: Discussion

As always if I moved a post I shouldn’t have I apologize.

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Cool thread title lol

More completely unbiased modding.

Sir, this is the apologizing for Putin’s war crimes thread. You want “About Moderation” just down the hall that way.

Blind patriots abstaining in large numbers.

Poll is incomplete. Was the Russian conscript pro-war, anti-war or indifferent before he got picked up? US soldier is in the same position as the conscript after he enlists so when and why did the US soldier join the military?

Is a US soldier that joined the military to go fight in Iraq more culpable than an anti-war or indifferent Russian conscript? Obviously yes.

nice ratio

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1580125305200840704?s=20&t=WqNBC76ZkYse2KEGn97yEQ

Can this be considered dehumanizing?

Yeah but Joe Biden was against gay marriage before he was for it and he voted to invade Iraq, so I declare checkersmate.

reminds me of a line in this louis ck bit about a soldier on a plane and he’s like “he’s fighting for freedom, he thinks”

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https://twitter.com/juliadavisnews/status/1579820810751324160?s=21

yall gotta stop taking the bait

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So I’m really truly wondering if any of the usual suspects are going to talk about Iran giving Russia drones will only prolong the war.

Not that I think that people like Chomsky support Iran giving Russia drones, it’s more that I wonder how those types of messages get amplified so much.

Is it because it’s more interesting to people so it enters the discourse? Or is it something more sinister, and the narrative at large is easily manipulated by a state actor?

Probably both, but just a thought I had

3:08 in the second video is particularly on point

Can you explain how that is relevant at all?

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In theory, we collectively have indirect ability to affect American foreign policy because we are supposed to be a democracy. We have significantly less theoretical ability to affect how Russia or Iran act. Thus, for some people, it is much more interesting to talk about how the US can act unilaterally to increase the probability of their preferred outcomes, treating American action as the variable and Russian behavior as fixed.

Maybe, but it’s also 2022 and there’s several international forums online now, and the criticism of US supplying Russia was far from just American citizens or even western allies.

Honestly, I’m choosing to believe it’s more interesting. Ain’t nobody even pretending that the Russians or Iranians are motivated with some sort of moral values here. The other way is too pessimistic for me.

US citizens are responsible for what the US does. They’re not responsible for what Iran or Russia does. Pretty elementary. That’s why Chomsky’s foreign policy critiques focuses on US crimes and doesn’t have much to say about Iranian crimes. Because Chomsky is responsible for what the US does in a way he isn’t responsible for whatever Iran does.