Who’s next is doing gods work on twoplustwo right now making sure that threads about banning regular Russians from poker sites stay free of any mention of American hypocrisy in the matter
Good job man those threads aren’t racist cesspools or anything
Some people are excited about Ukraine possibly winning this war because of the hope that a bad guy, Putin, might be punished somehow, since we don’t seem to have any of that going on in this country. We have clear good guys to root for and clear bad guys to root against.
The Ukrainian cause is pure, is unambiguously the morally correct side to support. There’s no choosing between the lesser of two evils here. Some people are going to react negatively from the good feelings that come from knowing you’re aligned with the good guys.
Interesting word choice
I’m old enough to remember when you told us the Ukraine invasion wasn’t happening and the reporters wearing helmets were chickenshits or outright scam artists. Keep posting. You will hit one eventually!
Apparently, you’re old enough that your memory is failing. Nothing like this happened.
Yikes man
[ ] Ukraine invasion is fake
[ ] reporters wearing helmets are chickenshits or outright scam artists
What was your point then? You posted a bunch of other similar posts at the time insinuating reporters wearing helmets were CNN being fake? Come on man this is just horrible at this point. Do you really want me to go get all the posts?
My point is you are a career elon stan. That’s sad. You were shitposting as people were getting killed in Ukraine. Maybe time to re-evaluate yourself.
Dude you’ve wildly misread and are being a dick needlessly
I read that as him going after CNN, not denying the invasion.
Oh enlightened one, what is something most people here believe about the Ukraine conflict that you know to be false?
This. Examples or stfu.
It’s actually America’s fault!
Firstly, propaganda is not all lies. It’s public relations. Sometimes it is lies though and a good example of that itself, is the notion that propaganda is all lies. We use the word propaganda (nowadays) primarily for the enemy’s public relations.
So, it’s not necessarily about what it demonstrably right or wrong, but has the US public been subjected to propaganda and has that affected some people’s ideas? Well, it used to be pretty normal for fairly well informed and thoughtful people who were less exposed to public relations to suspect that Russia would be threatened by NATO expansion and, feeling threatened might be aggressive. That absolutely was not limited to John Mearshimer and SenorKeeed. And when they expressed those ideas, other people didn’t find them controversial. Here’s an example of it from back in December:
I don’t think any NATO countries border Russia. Russia really wouldn’t like that, and it’s why they are thinking about conquering Ukraine rather than let them go to NATO.
That’s you saying that. I can’t quote it because the older thread is locked. December isn’t that long ago, but it was before the drums of war were beating so loudly and it was before that idea was so severely frowned upon. A few months, a lot of “let me be clear” press conferences, and a lot of blue checkmark tweets later and people may not even remember that they even had those thoughts.
Well, one explanation for that change is American propaganda, or maybe, maybe the explanation is just a few posts down when I admitted I just didn’t know the extent of NATO and have some gaps in my geography:
Also Lithuania and Poland thanks to Russia’s exclave! Didn’t realize Norway touched Russia, and didn’t realize that the Baltics were in NATO. Forgot about the exclave when forgetting that Poland bordered Russia.
Even now, I actually agree that NATO expansion pisses Putin off, but I disagree that pissing Putin off is something that should be avoided at all costs. I think that the NATO membership of the Baltics is a big reason why Putin picked Ukraine to invade instead. I think we should have let Ukraine into NATO sooner, because that actually would have prevented this invasion.
I was firing a shot at you Victor. At you.
What percentage of the blame do you put on USA? Not a gotcha. I don’t have any response planned or even any real idea of how you’d answer
