I’m not too worried about the feelings of affluent posters, but as I pointed out recently in a different discussion here the billionaires are very, very happy if the progressives are throwing punches at doctors and lawyers and stuff. Affluent enablers shouldn’t be immune from criticism, but I do suggest people be mindful about who the real villains are.
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Who exactly do you think would be most negatively affected by the collapse of our governmental structure?
Obviously we all would, but the word MOST is really important in that question.
If you’re going to keep throwing punches at affluent Bernie voters, I’m not sure what kind of coalition you’re going for. Sure feels like you just want to yell at people.
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Didn’t you make a metric fuck ton of money playing LHE or was that someone else?
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A wild no true Scotsman had suddenly appeared.
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I’m a losing poker player.
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I feel like we might be piling on a bit here. Sorry @tabbaker ! I think the observation that the affluent are going to be incentivized to self preservation is very fair. Its obviously a touchy subject though.
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I’m thinking of someone else then.
It is someone else, but there name eludes me atm.
This is true, but what’s also true is some people are just meant to last and some ain’t cut out for what’s to come and most of the ones built to survive come from the poorer regions in America and will have the means and self awareness to survive longer than most affluent people, as who do you thinks getting attacked 1st in these scenarios, the poor? Lol no.
Survival on the streets ain’t no fun when you ain’t got the Cops to protect your ass for everyone.
And priorities will change and its not the wealth factor that could mean the difference, in fact it could all be down to your weight that’s just human nature that the’d take out the slow 1st.
It’s probably a long discussion and would be worthy of a thread.
Yeah… I’m not even a little bit worried about my future honestly. In a lot of ways my life has been perfect training to weather the coming storm. Bad stuff can happen variance wise, but I would have to run awfully bad to even be majorly at risk. My wife and I just finished what will hopefully be our last turn in the barrel with her doing COVID in geriatrics and then getting stuck at that job while it’s getting progressively worse because of trying to buy a house this year and me being self employed.
Seriously though after this we’re like a turtle that finally got a fully functional shell. We’ve come through the hard part already just going from well below the poverty line to where we are now.
I can honestly say that most of the well off people I’ve met are not at all prepared for things getting volatile. They’re sloppy as fuck and have absolutely no survival instincts. They haven’t had to worry about survival at any point in their lives and it really shows. No sense of urgency at all.
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This is obviously not true. Trump absolutely 100% does want to change things in ways that would harm far more people than generic establishment politics would.
This is not a defense of the Dems or anyone else - it’s just plainly not true that Trump doesn’t represent some legitimately horrifying outcomes that we happened to avoid the first time around.
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Ya this is where we disagree. I don’t see the US ever going Mad Max where survival skills will matter much. Where we are headed is full authoritarianism and an even greater police state than we already have. We are headed towards a reduction in rights for women, minorities and immigrants. Those things will predominantly threaten the poor not the rich.
Yes, the rich are actively engaged in the process of pulling up draw bridges and protecting what they’ve got. This is standard late stage collapsing empire stuff.
I’m not worried about Mad Max. I’m worried about the existing system collapsing and things getting very chaotic. There’s a lot of ground between the level of order we have now and mad max. I expect us to land somewhere in between.
Yeah, some day we may have as many people in prison per capita as the really authoritarian countries.
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The one dynamic that makes this especially horrifying is the 400 million plus guns in this country.
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But those are just for self defense.
We will never get a better system without passing through a chaotic stage, but a chaotic stage isn’t guaranteed to be a way station on the path to a better tomorrow. We won’t get the future we want without gambling that we might end up with something worse.
About the eviction moratorium. No word on what Trump did that clearly wouldn’t pass constitutional muster.
F anyone that positively cites the National review (happens frequently in the Covid thread).
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That gamble neccesairly requires the proles to have a common ground. Otherwise, what makes me better than the elite by demanding that the poor go through the turmoil of change?
If we are in it together, then yeah, sure, burn the fucker down. But my fairly bougie ass shouldnt get to decide that thats the best path without those who will be most affected having the majority of the say.
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