Apparently Trump is refusing to pardon anyone until someone tells him it’s ok to pardon himself. Nail biting time for Kushner (he’s going to pardon everyone including himself).
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Any justice that would uphold a self pardon is a joke. It is so antithetical of the whole concept of the Constitutional government as to be “self-evident”.
The power to self pardon is the power of a monarch (or in today’s world a dictator).
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This is absolutely right. I don’t know that there actually are any legal scholars who believe that a self-pardon is valid, but if there are, it’s definitely the sort of thing that only a law professor could convince themselves of. The Supreme Court upholding one would be a consummate act of corruption. I mean, Bill freaking Barr isn’t corrupt enough to tell Trump he can pardon himself!
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Terrifying what the next fascist will do with a self-pardon power
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Amazing! If it is what you say it is, I love it!
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Sure? I’m just saying I don’t think it is even remotely a settled question. Nixon’s pardon by Ford was never challenged, and that’s at least self-pardon adjacent. Nixon’s lawyers thought he could pardon himself, so it’s not something that all law people agree on, like Ted Cruz being able to run for president even though he’s a Canadian.
System is so fucked up that no one really questions why a greetings card company has a Political Action Committee - everyone has to pay.
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I think there is an OLC or some similar written opinion from Watergate saying a self-pardon is invalid. I mean this is lol obvious, but it should also be obvious that a sitting president can be charged for being a criminal and we apparently can’t do that.
Separately, zero discussion anywhere that Mrs. Clarence Thomas funded the insurrection and is straight up QAnon.
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let’s be honest, even if Trump does pardon all the kids and himself AND somehow the self-pardon holds up, they’re all gonna commit approximately 40 new felonies each before the end of the day on the 20th.
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Settled law no. Obvious yes. Of course Narrator may have other ideas.
Justice for a justice that would approve cannot be discussed in polite society.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/erinscafe/status/1348818699826864129
https://mobile.twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1348857417044516865
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It will never happen but put only individuals should be able to donate and they should only be able to donate within their home state.
Of course that’s a constitutional amendment so it has the same chance of Sheldon Anderson seeing a snowball anytime soon.
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Barr and Cipollone are cut from the same cloth and run in the same circles as the right wing SC justices with the exceptions of perhaps Thomas and Alito, who are their own brand of crazy.
Ex ante, wouldn’t put it past them to uphold a Trump self-pardon. But assuming it’s correct that Barr and Cippolone are telling Trump no, I think it’s at least 95+% the SC strikes it down. Update your priors…
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There is a 0% chance a self-pardon will ultimately be allowed for Trump while a Dem is President. Biden can literally walk out there on Day 1 and self-pardon himself for all future crimes. Right wing courts are never going to allow that just so they can prop up Trump, who no longer serves any use for them.
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While there is no doubt that Ginni Thomas is a conspiracy theorist who is at least Q-adjacent, there doesn’t seem to be much meat the idea that she funded the insurrection.
https://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1348648310400294913
I’m fine with hammering her on things that maybe aren’t true, but I’d be cautious about phrasing it in such a way that I can’t be caught in an outright fiction.
So here’s a completely batshit oh you sweet summer child thought: Pence played nice this last day or so, so Trumps thinks he’ll get pardoned if he resigns as his worries of a self pardon become more severe and Pence will get the last laugh.
When Pence tells the anecdote I hope it’s something like this
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I’m rooting for Trump to try to self-pardon himself so that we can force Republicans to have an opinion on it and the Supreme Court to have a vote on it. Like pvn said, it won’t matter because he’s just going to do new stuff we can nail him for, so let’s test the strength of our political system a bit more.
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So he’s in public for the first time today down at the wall.
Any chance he comes off belligerent today and invites some Rs to get a spine?
What if he tells them all to come to Washington and make Jan 6 look like a garden party?