thats gonna be a no from me, we dont need a new law everytime Mahomes gets injured
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Pollard tho
I mean I donāt hate it if itās a specific type of move that isnāt totally necessary as part of a clean tackle and isnāt too much of a burden for defensive players to take out of their arsenals. I mean a lot of the rule changes to protect QBs seemed wacky and people thought thereād be a foul on every play, and surprisingly, thatās mostly not the case, and you see pass rushers regularly sack QBs now using pretty fundamental techniques. Seems like you can make rules like this work without ruining the game.
First they came for my helmet to helmet tackles, and I said nothing.
Then they came for my horse collar tackles, and I said nothing.
Then they came for my hip drop tacklesā¦
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If there are ways to adjust tackling technique to reduce injuries Iām fine with it, but I do agree there is only so much you can do to reduce injuries on what is an inherently violent act and trying to make a rule against whatever caused the latest star to get hurt is not a great precedent.
The way I was taught to tackle was to lead with your helmet (lol) and wrap up, but when in doubt just grab on to whatever you can (horse collar was fine), drop down and pull. Tackling has evolved a lot over the years and it can still do so while also remaining football.
its very likely the previous rule change is what led to these injuries in the first place. the defender is not allowed to land on top of the qb, so it makes sense they would want to go underneath now in some spots, since its not always possible to make a perfectly formed tackle from the side in every scenario
I will say re: NRL, hip drops still happen (as do crusher tackles) but suspensions are massive. You will have games where teams are missing like a third of their starting lineup due to suspensions for tackles legislated out but that still happen due to speed of the game.
Horse collars still happen in the NFL. But thereās much less of them, so less chance for injury.
I honestly have no idea if banning hip drop tackles makes sense. But if a bunch more ankle injuries happen the league will definitely do something.
Maybe a ban on it inside the hashes within 5 yards of the LOS? Iām thinking 180dbs trying to tackle 230-260lb rbs/tes maybe itās okay, but 300lb lineman doing the same thing is unnecessary as they can grab the guy by the waist and then roll them as opposed to dropping their weight onto the legs/ankles.
Oh itās certainly reduced them in NRL. I should be clear I agree with the approach to remove them but just dumb fans will say ābut muh team suspensionsā
I think this hip drop thing is just way too open to interpretation. All sorts of stuff gonna get callled for hip drop when things are happening so fast and there are a lot of people trying to make a stop.
Also agree that the reason why we have more of these is because other tackling methods have been eliminated.
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With olā Bill OāBrien returning to New England, letās take a look at his play calling record, points per game:
With Brady:
6th
1st
3rd
Without Brady:
7th in the Big 10
8th in the Big 10
11th
12th
26th
28th
9th
15th
26th
Three of the last four years were with both Deshaun Watson and Deandre Hopkins with 9+ games a year in a dome.
Iām sure this will work out well.
Canāt be worse than fat Matt.
Belichick canāt risk being outshined by an assistant. Hence B OāB
Chinhole Chilly rides again!
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Fat Mike punting feels like we need a new metric that Iāve seen in some other sports, which is basically championship equity / shares as opposed to context-free win percentage. Thereās certainly a huge difference between punting your season away with 5:00 in Week 1 and doing it with the NFCCG on the line.
Kliff Kingsbury to Tuscaloosa for OC
I didnāt like the punt but I think it was closer than people think. Shanahan is known to turtle up in those situations, Dallasās D is great (although gassed at that point), and the Dallas O was horrific up to that point. And they still had at least two TOās I believe (I could be wrong about that though).
I still go for it but I didnāt think it was terrible.
https://twitter.com/NFLOfficiating/status/1617918901530099712
Thereās your proof the NFL loves refball. Cheffers is the absolute worst at taking over the game. Cheffers crew 1st in penalties 2 years running. Cheffers reffed the TB Super Bowl against the Chiefs where everyone, not just Chiefs fans, was complaining about the ridiculous calls against our secondary.
This is how ROG can steer outcomes w/o ever coming out and saying anything. Cheffers knows what the league wants, heās rewarded for it, other refs see that.
The league loves them some close games.
Underdogs are 31-14 against the spread for Cheffers games and about even for rest of the ump crews (because Vegas is good at what they do).
So after yet another yellow flag parade with this subs favorite referee I decided to do a little basic arithmetic to see if the data matches the eye regarding Carl Cheffers officiating the Chiefs.
I started with the 2017 season, since that is after Kelceās comments following the 2016 AFC Divisional loss to Pittsburgh. I included all regular and postseason games.
Carl Cheffers has had the Chiefs 12 times since. He has called 97 penalties for 879 yards on the Chiefs or 8.1 penalties for 73.3 yards/game.
Opponents were called for 81 penalties for 670 yards (6.8 for 55.8 yards/game)
But maybe the Chiefs just get called for more penalties? In the 95 non-Cheffers games since 2017, the Chiefs on average are flagged 6.47 for 57.26. Opponents are flagged 6.43 for 50.62 yards.
Chiefs opponents in Cheffers games are called for penalties at rates 5% higher than all others and have 10% more penalty yards. That seems to be consistent with how Cheffers officiates most games. In a median season he calls about 10% more penalties and 10% more penalty yards than the other crews
However, the Chiefs are penalized at a rate 25% higher with Cheffers and are called for 28% more penalty yards.
So, It does appear that Cheffers has been hard on the Chiefs since Kelceās comments
Caveats: n=12 is a smallish sample size, I didnāt control for some variables. Didnāt test for statistical significance. This could be more noise than signal, etc.
Source: Pro Football Reference
I just looked it up on Pro-Football Refrence.
The Chiefs in 14 games this season have given up 20 first downs by penalty.
5 of those came yesterday. 4 came against Las Vegas.
So those two games have combined to give us 9 of our 20 first downs given up by penalty.
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I was defending the punt mildly in the gameday thread too. Itās just a shit situation either way, meaning there wasnāt all that much equity to give up by making the wrong decision. I do think once they took too long to get the punt team out they should have considered just letting it run down to the two minute warning and then finding a good play to run instead (as played, having them field the punt at 2:05 gave SF a free passing down and they took advantage of it with like a 15yd gain, basically making it worse than punting after the 2MW).
Dallas had all 3 TOs btw.
Wasnāt there a conspiracy theory about Carl Cheffers just last week where he was assigned to the Bills game to make certain the NFL got its neutral site AFC Championship?
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