I know reading is really challenging for you, meaning all you do is skim to cherry pick something to troll, but no I don’t think all 50 states will EVER vote for the NPV, and never even remotely suggested that. I pulled all my info off of wikipedia, so you’re free to go cherry pick from there to continue this pointless argument with yourself.
And still no answer from you on whether you voted in 2016 (you didn’t).
And still no answer from you about what you thought about the Supreme Court deciding the election 5-4 in 2000 because of a ‘timeline’ issue.
Substance free all day a day.
You should have made zero posts in this thread, but it’s a free country for now.
It’s already been burnt down. I’m on team rebuild it rather than imagining that the ashes are somehow still a fully formed thing.
Centrist neoliberal global capital is over. It’s bernie or die because it’s socialism or fascism going forward.
He just needs all the TSA agents to threaten a strike and he can do anything he wants.
We’ll see. My experience of austerity is that people get ground down, and stockholmed and come to love their abusers.
Bernie is the antidote to nihilism.
I mean he’s gotten exactly what he’s wanted to get done done over decades. Tax cuts, right to work a right wing supreme court and 1000 heritage foundation ghouls on the bench up and down the circuit. You sound like phil hellmuth critising the lucky internet players.
If they allow bernie a fair chance to win there’s no need to tear anything apart.
Cool, you came in and answered none of the questions. This whole argument was ‘you want a bunch of non-elected elites with no accountability to decide an election?’. That already happened, and we’re here today because of it.
We would have lived in a vastly different world if the Supreme Court would have let the votes be counted. How? A different Supreme Court, probably no 9/11, probably not even half of the horrible policies implemented right now. Definitely no Iraq War, and definitely not staggering deficits along with probably avoiding the 2008 crash. That might have all started happening in 2004 instead of beginning in 2000 if Gore sucked as a president, but it wouldn’t have been against Dubya. That decision is related intrinsically to the whole argument you’re making, sorry bruh. To defend the EC and not slam the SC for 2000, which was mostly about the EC is ludicrous. This sort of thing is why are an idiot and always will be an idiot.
You’re Mr. Professionally Wrong Side of History Keeed.
I know you didn’t vote in 2016, you said it on 2p2. That’s why your thoughts mean absolutely zero to any discourse going on. You counted yourself out then, and you probably will this year too, because you love watching things burn.
“There is a school of thought that you shouldn’t talk about impeachment and instead talk about infrastructure and health care, as if they’re mutually exclusive. You can’t shy away from the most obvious threat to this country, and if you do, you accept Donald Trump, and then we become complicit in it and we won’t win the next election.
Many are tempted to despair right now with the president being acquitted or this freak show of a presidency and the cult of personality that the Republican Party has become. But if you give into that, it’s over.”
I think it’s donate money, vote, knock on doors, text bank, do anything/everything possible for the general election candidate, no matter who it is. If it’s someone shitty (define however you each want), do the same thing to beat them in a primary in 2024 or grit your teeth and bear it until AOC 2028.
Are you sure we just weren’t frothing about this current right thing you’re frothing about while you were explaining how they should impeach Barr, Pence, Pompeo AND Trump?
We can still win in 2020, even though it’s going to be somewhat stacked against us. If we don’t win this election, then it’s a wrap on democracy and it’s on to a full-bore authoritarian regime with effective single party rule. Dems may be able to take the House and put the brakes on here or there, but it’ll just be slowing down a runaway train for a moment… and it’ll be a matter of time before he starts jailing Democratic leaders for opposing him.
It’s currently 53-47 GOP. We’re losing Doug Jones’ seat, so it’s 54-46. Collins and Gardner can be somewhat easily flipped, now we’re losing 52-48. Tillis, Ernst and McSally are in play, but in states where there could easily be extreme shenanigans from GOP control. I see a best case scenario of 51-49 Dems. I’m not sure what these other two you’re bringing into play are? Georgia x2? Kansas? Texas?
At least the ones who’s votes got counted fairly.
But the extra hilarious thing is that they’re completely incompetently running the country.
I agree that Carville gets this, I don’t know that Pelosi, Schumer, Perez, etc get this. I think a lot of them think it’ll be like Dubya all over again, and we’ll just take everything in 2022 and win in 2024 and all will be well.
While the party may not want to ratfuck him at the convention given what’s at stake, this will depend heavily on just how much he wins by… and there’s approximately a 0.0% chance the party rallies behind Bernie on Super Tuesday.
He won the right to do whatever the fuck he wants between now and November to try to win by abusing the power of the presidency. Now, the counter point is that not impeaching him just gave him the same green light. I agree with that, and it’s why I supported impeachment.
If you’re reading JT as minimizing the attack on the Constitution, you’re definitely misreading his posts.
They got nothing at all done, if you don’t count a $2 trillion tax cut for the rich, two Supreme Court justices, internment camps at the border, chopping away at and weakening the ACA, a Muslim ban, a shit load of federal judges, massive deregulation and grifting out the wazoo.
Plus this.
She’s a big business liberal. She’s a corporatist liberal.
Yep. Agree with all of this.
More like 100% chance. They’ll delete voters from the rolls, they’ll do all kinds of things to make it harder to vote in majority-minority areas in red states (move polling places, make them too small, don’t give them enough power cords, etc), they’ll do intimidation, they’ll send out mailers to Democrats telling them to remember to vote on Wednesday 11/4 and try to confuse people, there are all sorts of things. They’ll investigate the Dem nominee right before the election, they’ll try to hack the voting machines or have Putin do it for them, they’ll be hacking anything and everything in their favor.
They’ll be funneling in illegal donations from all over the place to all over the place, there’s effectively no FEC so fuck it.
It doesn’t really matter if they get caught, as long as at the end of the night he has the most electoral votes.
So what? What really came out of that that damaged Trump or the GOP?
Sure, but it’s never going to happen.
There’s not a chance in hell they’d remove any of them.
They needed 4+ Articles in my opinion. It makes it sound worse to the general public and gives GOP senators more cover to vote no on 3 and yes on 1, in theory - not that it was going to happen other than Romney. Also the downside is Manchin probably votes yes on 3 and no on 1, then Trump beats you over the head with that stick for a year.
Not. A. Chance. In. Hell.
Which is also exactly why he won’t be removed by this Senate. He’s doing exactly what they trusted him to do.
We all knew he did it, we all knew he wasn’t getting convicted for it. I went to a big impeachment demonstration in Philly, but I knew it ultimately wasn’t going to matter - it was just doing the right thing for the sake of doing the right thing, which is fine I guess. But as for me, I tuned out the House Manger’s case cause I already knew what he did, why he did it, why it was wrong, etc… I didn’t need to hear their case.
This means plenty of power for Trump, unless the Dems have the numbers in the Senate to remove him from office, which they won’t. He can still effectively do whatever he wants and all they can do is impeach him, and vote like 53-47 at best to remove him.
The GOP is depending on the election to go the exact same way people thought about impeachment. It is the only shot they have that can make the cheating easier for them. If they think the Dems aren’t up in arms about Barr, they won’t do anything about him, and neither will Pelosi. We have to depend on the people whose Constitutional duty it is to defend the Constitution from foreign and domestic enemies. Barr is the epitome of a domestic enemy. The House will do that if they can, and there are zero of the legs the GOP stood on related to impeachment available for the Senate related to Barr and Pompeo. This is a winning issue, I guarantee it. They need to find out how much the GOP was willing to shred the Constitution. Trump’s team has zero interest in protecting Pence as an important FYI. They’ve been throwing him under the bus in court for months.
Here’s a little fan fic script of the behind the scenes wrangling of a GOP Senator and his strategist.
August, 2019
GOP Senator:
What are you hearing about impeachment?
GOP Strategist:
Some people are screeching loudly on the internet (mostly former GOP people) and on TV, but the vast majority of people we see engaging those types who also want him impeached say there’s no way the GOP convicts. Pelosi won’t budge, and all we have to do is make a wall, like my pun, of GOP Reps not voting for impeachment. Then we can bludgeon her with her comments about the need for bi-partisanship. She’d do just about anything not to impeach him, and those people on the internet who want impeachment but won’t fight to make it happen are proving her right. They beat down those who think this should be fought tooth and nail into submission. Many of those same types think impeachment’s a losing issue because the acquittal is pre-ordained. if you can’t get people who want it to happen riled up that it’s not, then we got this. We can use them not impeaching in the election to our advantage, because it proves they didn’t think he really did anything wrong.
October, 2019
GOP Senator:
What Trump did is so bad. Really really bad. He seems like a danger, and I’m terribly concerned.
GOP Strategist:
Yeah, this is pretty bad, but this public has no attention span. We’ll just throw a hundred non-defenses up at the wall, and something will stick well enough with your colleagues. I will admit it’s pretty hard to defend. But you know the Democrat Party will eff it up somehow. We got this.
December, 2019
GOP Strategist:
Well, it’s almost time, I wish they’d send the damn articles over so we can get rid of this.
GOP Senator:
Yeah, Mitch told me there’s no chance in hell he’s giving even one Democrat what they’re hoping for…in the Senate. Imagine the House trying to negotiate this. Sure seems urgent to remove Trump, huh?
GOP Strategist:
Like I said, they’ll find a way to eff it up. We can now complain about the speed of sending it over and they pushed it into an election year. Everyone knows you’re supposed to have a speedy trial in due process, but we’ll tell them they went too fast. So what if Trump murdered Zelenskyy in front of a cop and confessed to it on national television. This investigation needed to take a year. BAHAHAHAHA.
GOP Senator:
It’s still a gamble, because I don’t really want to know what he’s gonna do next if he gets away with it.
GOP Strategist:
Well, he’ll come after you and send his base after you if you don’t vote for him. Is it really worth the risk? Remember, we got this.
January, 2020
GOP Senator:
It seems like a really bad idea not to bring Bolton in. Americans love CSI and NCIS, they know what a trial looks like, and man were they pissed about O.J. Are you sure it’s the right move to block witnesses?
GOP Strategist:
Look what the Democrat Party is doing over Medicare 4 All. We got this.
GOP Senator:
I hope you’re right about this, because what we are about to do is really not a good idea.
GOP Strategist:
Trump’s base is a cult, we have them forever. If we cut Trump loose, they cut us loose and we lose forever. If we don’t cut Trump loose, we still have that base, and it’s enough to win if the Democrat Party turns on itself. Plus, the added bonus is these Trump voters are stupid af. He could rape their wives, and they would still vote for him. Look at the Democrat Party, they aren’t even gonna notice when you acquit him. We got this.
GOP Senator:
I hope you’re right. I’m going to lose anyway, but I’ll save us having to get witnesses. Whatever happens to me is going to happen to Trump, but the only chance I have of winning is to gamble that you’re right.
February 5, 2020
GOP Strategist:
Wow, what did you think of that speech? I told you we got this.
GOP Senator:
It was…something. There were a lot of lies in it, but yeah, Trump’s base ate it up. Pelosi ripping up that thing…hoo boy Trump’s people were so mad.
GOP Strategist:
Yeah, just amazing stuff. They don’t get any of this at all. We. Got. This.
GOP Senator:
What are you seeing on the internet about the vote coming up today?
GOP Strategist:
Almost nothing! Hahaha. All they’re talking about is that clusterfuck in Iowa. That Democrat Party is so amazing. We got this!
GOP Senator Cory Gardner:
Maybe you’re right. Fuck the Democrats anyway, I hate them just like that Bernie base does. Wait til you hear my acquittal speech. It will be such an eff you to them.
A few days after the acquittal:
GOP Senator Gardner:
I really am concerned this was a mistake. Look at what he’s already doing. Lisa was so mad at me for making her number 50 on that witness stuff. I think she might campaign for Hickenlooper now. Who was the last campaign you worked for again?
Uh, no, I knew exactly what was going to happen. I just wanted ANYONE to act like it matters that this historic stain on our country happened and acknowledge it when it was happening. Everyone here went meh, but lost their minds about a Caucus that doesn’t matter, in an election where we need every vote possible to stop a guy who is going to burn this country down if he gets re-elected.
Quoting locked threads is a bit of a pain, all quotes from this thread. Context is that there were rumours back then (November) that Vindman was getting fired.
Hey let’s check in on what Graham thinks about the Vindman firing
Boy, this must be reflecting terribly on the GOP! Probably the public are up in arms and ready to throw these bums out of office!
These are the seats I think are in any sort of play:
Arizona
Georgia x 2
Colorado
Iowa
Kansas (open, the GOP has royally effed up Kansas)
Maine
Montana
North Carolina
Worst case to me is GOP 51-49 (which would be a nightmare), and I’m including Jones as a loss, though Alabama did shock the world once (lol). Hopefully they put up Jeff Sessions, he might be a Republican who could lose there.
You should have provided proper context for what you quoted. I actually left the site after that Vindman thing. It turned out to be a false story, and everything I said was based on that story being true (because it didn’t happen none of that meant anything). Why do you think Vindman didn’t get fired until Friday, when the GOP had already acquitted? Same with Sondland.
Good job posting an article from The Washington Examiner, I sure as fuck am not reading however they’re skewing the truth there. He probably said something like, ‘he’s the president he can do what he wants’. He wouldn’t have said a damn fucking thing about before or during the impeachment. Did he call Vindman deep state in it?
Really have no idea why you’re wasting your time here. I guess you just want me to leave.
I know you seriously didn’t think I thought the Senators would convict him, right?
Yeah, sure is, completely devoid of actual context that completely misrepresents why that discussion was happening. Your favorite type of post. It’s a favorite type of post for a lot of people here.
Do you even look at the polls, or just look at the graph? Everything in that approval rating is skewed because of Harris, Rasmussen, and a new blue moon Gallup poll. People love Emerson polls here, but I’ll agree with wheatrich that they’re terrible. I’m an alumnus of that school, and they are verbatim like Rasmussen. Trump’s approval will not move below 42 percent ever, and anything nearing 50 percent is absolute horse shit.
Here’s a link to the impeachment polls, why don’t you take a look at that?:
