In which @d2_e4 redefines the words “always” and “never”
Edit: Just realized you’ve now checked the “alternative facts” box as well. Really trotting out the right wing greatest hits playbook tonight.
I am somewhat hamstrung in responding to you as you appear to have the protection of the mods. I made a comment about your legal prowess and had a mod PM me telling me to delete it would be deleted. So, I am at something of a disadvantage when responding to your posts, as it appears you are able to go at me with impunity and I can’t respond.
Guess it’s probably not too dissimilar to being in court.
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This post leaves a really bad taste in my mouth but I’m struggling to articulate why. I think it’s because, in saying that d2 is using bog standard deplorable talking points because you disagree with him, you’re doing essentially the same thing but from a liberal perspective.
I don’t know if that’s exactly it but we saw a ton of that here in the run-up to the election. Disagree with liberal consensus on anything = you’re literally as bad as Trump. Idk.
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I mean, I’ve honestly never heard the word snowflake used unironically, by anyone but a maga supporter. Have you? I don’t mean when you are mocking a maga supporter, that’s using it ironically. I mean unironically, as in “stop being so sensitive snowflake.”
My hunch is that d2 is aware of that and chose his words carefully but that’s just a guess
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no tenemos mas tiempo
Dude, you need to get out more.
Here is one example from fairly recently - the mod titled this thread:
https://unstuckpolitics.com/t/snowflakes-flagging-posts-and-stereotyping-jokes
Coming round to my definition of “never” yet?
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No hable ingles.
Do you understand what ironically versus unironically means?
Oh, I do, yes. You might want to check Crunchyblack’s post.
You are using it in a thread where you are arguing that people who don’t like your use of a derogatory term are snowflakes. That appears to be an unironic use of the term. In the thread you linked, ggoreo… is not.
Here, I’ll help: Ironic Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com
I’m going to choose my words very carefully here.
Most people who have seen at least one of my posts understand that I wouldn’t use the term “snowflake” unironically. I might use it in a context where it appears that it was unironic, much like that other example I gave you, but I do feel that adding “/sarcasm” to every single one of my posts would insult the intelligence of the majority of my readers.
I’m gonna spend more time writing this post than is probably justified by this dumb thread, but here we go…
First thing: it’s generally rude and arrogant to tell others how to speak. Think about speaking to someone you don’t know very well and correcting their grammar mid-conversation. It’s fundamentally rude to be like “actually dude irregardless isn’t a word”. It’s also rude to be like “That word you’re using makes me feel bad, pick another”. Shit like this doesn’t fly:
If you pull someone up for using irregardless and they get annoyed, “is it really such a burden on you to use real words” is unlikely to smooth things over, even though it’s true that it’s not a big deal to just say “regardless” instead of “irregardless”. The point is that you don’t get to make demands about how other people behave without a pretty good reason.
That’s not to say it should never be done. In a vacuum it’s rude and arrogant to tell someone to be quiet in public, but it’s also necessary and reasonable if people are making large amounts of noise inappropriately. My point is that there are two sides of the ledger here.
The next question is whether a word has inherent problems regardless of intent. Let the record show that I have argued strongly in the past that insults like “whore” should be off limits. The reason is that inherent in the word is the idea that people who do sex work are bad, shameful people. Unlike a word like “moron”, which used to refer to the mentally disabled but is now simply a way of calling someone stupid, the word “whore” still straightforwardly means someone who has sex for money, or someone promiscuous in general. It’s just not possible to use the word and escape the implications of it. Likewise, inherent in the n-word is “it’s bad to be a black person”.
“■■■■■ isn’t a word like that, it doesn’t imply anything in particular. I don’t accept that it’s misogynist because slang for male genitalia is also used in insulting fashion - “dick”, “prick”, “cockhead” for starters. It’s just a vulgarity. If a word doesn’t have inherently offensive implications, then a listener should give some leeway for intent. Like if I say “Melania is a stupid ■■■■■ then OK, that has a misogynist vibe to it and it’d be reasonable to tell me to pull my head in. But in other contexts, nothing misogynist is meant and there’s no inherent misogynist meaning. When it’s just personal preference on the part of the listener, they can deal with it as far as I’m concerned. Taking words as intended and not inserting meanings that aren’t there is how good faith communication works.
Also, as a minority here I demand this cultural hegemony cease. Respect my lived experience of calling my friends ■■■■■ on a regular basis. I don’t feel seen right now.
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I used to be the most guilty of this but I’ve decided that if I represent more than 20% of the posts in a long thread it’s time for me to take a break.
People need to stop using the fact that dick and prick are not considered sexists to pretend the c word isn’t either. This argument only make sense if we pretend we don’t all live in a patriarchy with a long history of assigning negative connotations to female words.
This is why Dan Savage is working to change the meaning of pussy from weak to strong.
It’s not only relevant the C word is about females it’s the key point.
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I have a question for people who say they use the word IRL. Do you moderate your usage of the word based on whether females are present, especially if they aren’t friends?
Is anyone open to a compromise where it is tolerated in more Euro-oriented threads (UK Politics, Football) but moderated in more US-centric threads?
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How is that rude? Funnily enough, all my life I have been taught the exact opposite. That if I have an issue with someone, to talk to them about it, and be afforded the respect of that person at least listening. How the other person reacts to my feedback then determines the amount and tenor of my further involvement with them.
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Wat
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It’s an ongoing debate within the mods. On the one hand, those were ratified. On the other hand it also feels like the community doesn’t want, or at least hasn’t empowered us, to enforce them.
What do I win?