I think this is where you and I depart. I am not really in the “listening to why every snowflake might be offended by every little thing” camp. For me, there needs to be a pretty compelling fucking case. My default position is that nothing is offensive, until proven otherwise.
I kinda think they’re in the same category, and I generally avoid using either.
Congratulations on being a cis het white guy.
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In which case, you are making a different argument to pretty much everyone else ITT.
I’m not really sure what you mean by category, or what it means for bitch or ■■■■ to be in separate ones or the same one. I’m going to be stepping away from the forum for a while.
That’s a bit strong. I’m sure you saw my AMA in the politics thread and you’re well aware I have my own issues. Sorry if I happen to be white and hetero and shit, not my fault.
Do a poll on whether ■■■■■■ should be banned and another one on whether “bitch” should be banned, and you’ll see what I mean by “category”.
respect for your fellow humans
keeping this community together
because people you interact with on a regular basis asked you to
I’m not actually doing the things I have been asked to not do on this forum. This is an academic exercise.
Just amazing the lack of self-awareness amongst a supposed “liberal” who acts like, and talks like, a bog-standard right wing trump supporter.
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sorry, the “you” in that post was meant in the general sense.
I was trying to give compelling reasons. If those aren’t compelling to people, then those people are operating on a completely different moral level than I am, and I struggle to understand them.
Perhaps. I’ve never self-identified as a “liberal”.
Why don’t you respond to the other posts, calling your factual evidence into question, before you attack my credentials on something else?
The discussion in this thread has made me wonder if we need to change the forum FAQs, which say among other things:
As currently written they don’t seem to correspond to forum policy.
I think “people” in this context has a fairly narrow definition. For example, does “people” extend to Trump supporters?
I guess, what I am saying is that we are all willing to extend a lot of leeway to people with whom we agree and generally like, but the argument “you should do x because you respect/like these people” is a bit circular.
Trump supporters who refuse to stop using offensive language even when asked by family or friends are indeed operating on a different moral level than me. Not sure of the purpose of this question, as it doesn’t seem to contradict what I’m saying.
Why are You using the language, tactics, and endorsing the viewpoints of a right-wing deplorable?
tl;dr semi-g
■■■■ like Bitch, whether used to refer to a man or woman is basically always derogatory even if the person saying it doesn’t realize. Man calls man a bitch, he is explicitly saying that dude isn’t manly and is being a bitch. Man calls woman bitch, he is explicitly stating that she is being a bitchy woman and would be great if woman talking would be a little less talky and more cooky in the kitchen, thank you. It’s not quite as bad when a woman says it but that’s a pretty outside chance around these parts and mostly they are just trying to ‘talk like one of the guys’ because that’s what they are around and have had to learn to talk this way to defend themselves from meatbrains or because they want to be viewed as one of the guys.
JMO YMMV
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You literally posted that nobody uses the c word around here. I quickly posted a dozen examples to prove you wrong. Now you’re trying to qualify it because of percentage of uses of the c word versus every other word? Lol, no. That’s not how this works.
Actually, it is, counsel. The definitions of “nobody” and “never” are taken always taken to mean “even if it’s some nonzero percentage, it’s negligible”, always, even in court when lay people are giving evidence. I won’t bore you with the mathematical definitions of “almost surely” and “almost everywhere” etc.