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I think most everyone is in some level of rolling denial.
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Same as it ever was.
But we have already heard from healthcare workers that the death numbers are not correct. And not speculatively but specifically.
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The clothesline move was invented for this reason
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Trump couldn’t spell Caranavirus 30 days ago
30 days ago the 15 people with flu were no problemo
Look man. Viral content needs graphics. Graphics need numbers. Good numbers, bad numbers, whatever. Just get some fucking numbers, make some fucking graphs and push that shit out on social. J school 101.
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Doesn’t that involve the armpit I just sneezed into?
Hey guys, Namath is trying to break containment. Get him!
I agree - they might be off by as much as a factor of double in some states, or maybe more. The question is - are states able to hide more and more deaths and hospitalizations to keep the trend looking flatter?
It feels more likely to me that the gap between real hospitalizations/deaths vs. reported hospitalizations/deaths will close as healthcare workers demand that anyone with symptoms be treated as presumptive positive. I know at least in Italy those go into the official numbers. I am hoping they do in the US as well but I wouldn’t put it past red states to “bungle” it and leave them out.
The one thing you can’t hide is hospital completely overwhelmed and ventilator rationing. No matter how hard states try to fudge the numbers, that will eventually hit them if it’s coming. And in that case they’ll have to start reporting the #s to closer to reality.
Anyway like I said I’m looking at the trend of hospitalizations and deaths. So the only way I’m going to get fooled into thinking the trend is starting to flatten is if more and more cases get reported wrong - which feels unlikely to me based on everything I’ve been reading for 12 hours/day.
For reasons microbet went into - just looking at new cases is problematic for seeing trends - due to the wild disparity in testing availability from day to day.
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I’m not the depressive/suicidal type. My version of it would be something like In the Wild (and trying hard to not die). If I didn’t have kids and I weren’t already curling up and dying from 2016, this would probably do it.
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I mean, you want it to be taken seriously, right? And have you seen the general public’s appetite for garbage?
No country in the world has the capacity to deal with these people. ‘Symptoms’ vs ‘Dying’ They are sent home (or to quarantine if you do it properly) until they can’t breathe.
They will treat them when their lungs are no longer working, if they are under 60 years old without underlying conditions, assuming ventilator is free
ITT we have peeps still thinking one room full not hosptial ‘overrun’
2 doctors and 3 nurses where my sister is a nurse in NJ tested positive. And she works at a cardiologist office. This is becoming WIDESPREAD.
I’m talking about hospitalized patients treated as presumptive positive.
My McDonald’s workin’ son reports that he only had 9 hours this week, and it’s so dead that he can wash hands, wear gloves for every customer. Western MA, so not exactly High St.
He also may get screwed out of his stimulus payment, as the IRS could not find his 2018 tax return when he asked for it.
If their lungs not working, they’ll be let in, but we ain’t giving a bed to someone running a fever
I get confused with presumptive positive as tests in developed countries are through with hours
Treated as maybe, but not counted as positives until the test result comes back. Another point is if a presumptive positive dies prior to the test coming back will the lab still test it? Afaik they have been in Washington, but I fully expect that states w/o proper testing capacity are throwing those in the trash rather than wasting reagents.
Then that’s the trend I’m watching. As long as it’s consistent from day to day. It’s when the admittance requirements change then hospitalization will look better than it really is.
So yeah that’s a concern. But so far I haven’t heard of the US sending people home to die because they’re over 60 - like Italy is.
I really feel for the doctors and nurses on the front lines. None of them signed up to be fighting incredibly infectious diseases with no protective gear.
Like you said though, they are better people than me.
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Yeah I’m assuming that’s going to happen some % of the time. But I know in Italy patients being treated as presumptive positive still go into the official numbers as a C19 case. Do you know if in the US they do? I know the CDC gets those but do the state health agencies?
The CDC doesn’t report their numbers for some reason. They leave it up to the states. Anyone know if that’s SOP?