This is a perfect microcosm of how endless debate on every little mod decision has helped get us into this mess.
How it should have gone:
Mods: “We’re banning the c-word”
Posters who like using the c-word: “Why?”
Mods: “Because it’s offensive to some people, especially women.”
Posters who like using the c-word: “Oh ok. Seems pretty stupid to me but whatever. I’m not going to make a big deal about not being able to type one curse word on a message forum.”
How it actually went.
Mods: “We’re banning the c-word”
Posters who like using the c-word: “Why?”
Mods: “Because it’s offensive to some people, especially women.”
Posters who like using the c-word: "Are you calling me a sexist and a misogynist? I’ll have you know in my country that word has a different connotation. … "
Aaaannnnnd we’re off to the races. Headed for hurt feelings all around.
I’m sure I missed a few steps in there. But the point remains that if they just initially let it go, like the tiny thing it is, it never would have ended in massive rancor. That’s on them, which is my whole point.
If I may interject I would like to wait to move forward with any further votes or settling on final wording of polls until JT comes back from the break he wanted to take, and see if microbet wants to stick around after the 2 week temp ban he took as a cool down to a self-permaban.
And, you know, missing the few steps that Vict0ar pointed out, the steps that are crucial in redefining the series of events, yeah, why would those ever be important?
Imagine if Suzzer was the same dude who unironically posted this quote more than a few times:
This is not accurate. There are lengthy exchanges between Wookie and me where Wookie repeatedly disputes my claim that the term as used in countries other than the US is not sexist. He refused to be happy with “OK you won the poll, we just won’t say it”. He wasn’t satisfied with anything other than the canonical declaration that it was Sexist Anyway, Wherever. Which is to say, we really were being called sexists, not, as you portray it here, inaccurately claiming to have been.
But … again … it didn’t go like like that. It wasn’t “are you calling me a sexist and a misogynist?” - it was “you are a misogynist if you use that word regardless of it’s connotation in whatever backwater of the world you live in that isn’t U.S.A.”
Believe whatever you want though - it’s the UP way.
FWIW suzzer PM’d me to say this (saying in the PM that I could post it):
I dug up the c-word (one of them at least) thread from my muted threads. I see a lot of people on both sides wanting to argue and dragging it out and eventually getting into massive hurt feelings territory. The UK guys seemed pretty reasonable before the shit started to hit the fan. I’ll shut up about the c-word now.
My point still stands that debating every mod decision is a bad thing for this forum.
I want to say two things about this, the first, personal and specific to suzzer - it says a lot of good things about suzzer that he: bothered to check; realised we had a point; wanted to acknowledge that we had a point and didn’t want to keep that acknowledgement ‘just between us guys’ etc. The forum as a whole could use a lot more of that.
The second, which I want to stress is universal and something I think applies to literally all of humanity: how he came to be mistaken to begin with was because he was talking about how his team had, in the past, interacted with the other team. I don’t think he was lying, I think he was remembering what seemed most plausible to him. It seemed most plausible to him that his team had been totally reasonable and that the other team had been the most godawful cads. The forum as a whole could use a lot less of that (and again, big props to suzzer).
Every incarnation was super racist. Which was completely predictable; giving racist dingdongs a lightly-moderated forum is going to result in racist dingdongs posting racist bullshit. Like, anyone who’s been on the information superhighway before should have seen what was coming.
i will only reply this once and disappear. i shouldn’t have even allowed this lapse, but independence day and all.
i don’t know or recall what SHS is. carry on. sorry for the interruption and best of luck to all of you. lots of people behaving like penises in this thread. not ■■■■■■ mind you. Penis.
this “throttle” seems silly imo. and now in case anyone sees this. thanks for the throttle.
