RFC: Proposed New Subforum

About Unstuck
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I typed this up right as the throttle got to throttlin’ and was going to abandon it considering that ruined the joke, but now since Suzzer did what he did maybe it’s appropriate again, though I don’t know. I mean, the cat’s out of the bag at this point.

Reply 1:

This is a good ass post, “exegesis” is the type of word that gets my taint hairs tingling. But, I need to know if you’re going to lock the thread if I, not even, like, rebut, just reply in the spirit of vigorous debate and a little fun. I don’t even care which choice you make, but there’s a finite amount of keystrokes in a poster’s life and I’d just like you to do me the solid of letting me know upfront.

Reply 2:

I’m not going to post a super long reply if you’re not looking to get into a whole big thing, but, yeah I can see that. This isn’t a formal debate club so when speaking informally, opinions and question-begs can look the same, and the reader should be charitable and not assume one is question begging when they’re just speaking informally and off-the-cuff. However, while what you describe might apply to some posts 100%, it totally doesn’t to others, and there’s a sliding scale in between. Even sticking with the example of a quasi-abstraction such as “disruption/being disruptive” there’d still be degrees to which we could state things with more certainty than others, depending on how much subjective agreement we could arrive at about how abstract the disruption is; thus, the opinion-stater bears some responsibility as well. IMO, it’s just best practice to attempt to make it clear what is opinion and what is objective truth, and we even have a hand little acronym to do so.

I mean, I’m quickly giving less and less of a fuck but since everybody’s is surmising the what-ifs, yeah, what if a proud non-reader starts lying about the subforum, what happens then? Should we nip that in the bud right now or do we have to be more epistemologically certain that Suzzer just told a big arrogant lie? Will these questions be ignored? Do I need my magic 8-ball jpegs?

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Just so you know, the subforum is being formed despite your “hired gun” advocacy, not because of it. Don’t quit your day job.

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471

I second this motion. At this point, we are no worse off with the subforum moving ahead. In the spirit of Kaizen/Lean/Agile, let’s iterate and course correct. In any event, let’s go go go!

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The pot doesn’t even have any honey in it man holy shit have some self-respect.

And considering you all seem to have so little self-control, my advocacy inadvertently actually worked pretty well. But at this point it’s just overkill and you’re making MrWookie and them look bad.

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What website do you buy mushroom spores off of?

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Thanks for posting this correction. It’s a pity suzzer didn’t post a retraction of his own, but nm.

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I sent them the PM only because I couldn’t post for another 4 hours, with instructions that they could post it if they could still edit.

I was planning to post itt when I got back tonight but saw AiF already posted it.

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I don’t buy any spores from any websites, what makes you ask?

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Yeah his posting is sooo crazy he must be on mushrooms!

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It was meant to be a joke and I’d like to buy some. 6ix strikes me as the type who might know. His undertitle is galaxy brain after all.

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I just don’t see how, based on history, that:

  1. Someone takes a perceived “shot” at someone from the “other” subforum
  2. A person “snitches” (for lack of a better word) about the perceived shot
  3. The “snitchee” makes an attempt to “defend” themselves and ends up moderated somehow, or at least gets a ton of “just don’t read/post in this subforum, duh”
  4. We end up right back here doing the same song and dance
    You are kidding yourself if you think there won’t be a ton of posts shared back and forth and pearl-clutching saying “look what they said about you!!!”

As someone who has been around since 2+2, it sure feels like we’ve done this all before, and will do this all again. And no, I have not voted, because I’m really just a lurker with very few posts. Maybe it’s possible you feel like I don’t deserve to post my thoughts since I’m a lurker. I suppose you might be right. I don’t know.

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I don’t disagree with any of that - I just don’t see how a forum within a forum will make anything better but understand the frustration those advocating for it feel. People behaving like dicks isn’t helping.

Lurkers’ opinions are just as valid as anyone elses - and in many respects can be more revealing. We need a forum in which low count posters feel comfortable - otherwise how do we expect them to become more active.

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Yup. I realised that when I tried to edit my post but couldn’t because of the choke.

Does DYOR on the c word thread now make you curious about whether the narrative here in related mod threads is also correct?

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I’m not going back and forth with you on this anymore than to state that I don’t have strong opinions about the other mod threads other that most of them shouldn’t exist and they lead to nothing but trouble and hurt feelings.

Yeah Wookie pushed the issue on the c-word and you were being reasonable at first. But you still could have dropped it any time. It didn’t have to turn into that. You seem to be on the end of a lot of those kinds of things - like your never-ending feud with jman that’s one of the most annoying things on this site imo. It takes two to tango.

And none of this changes my problems with sabo, which stem from direct personal interaction.

Btw I want to have a category in my Walrus, “Pick a song that jalfrezi will hate the most”. All scoring will be based on your inverse ranking of the songs. Are you up for it?

Edit: come on man, your musical taste is obviously much more aligned with music critics than me. I like Ace of Base ffs. I just like to give you shit over Captain Beefheart and call you a music hipster. It’s obviously not meant as serious trolling. So are you in?

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That’s pretty trollish. If I found my taste was always so at odds with music critics over the decades I’d probably re-evaluate, but carry on.

Sting #1 of course.

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We doing this Walrus or what?

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Should moderators use tools such as temp-bans to try to prevent hurt feelings?
  • Yes
  • No
  • Don’t know/Don’t care

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This is all fair, but, I think I at least demonstrated at this point that one side, for lack of a better word, has an incredible lack of self-control when it comes to toxic shitposting. I made a thread in About-Unstuck that I honestly thought would fall of the page if some lurkers and/or unheard voices didn’t weigh in (my side {again, lack of a better word} certainly wasn’t going to spam bump the thread saying “haha fuck you guys” or some such thing). That, uh, didn’t happen.

For example, in this thread, Goofy made this post below. While I disagree with his assessment, it’s a fair post, a gentleman’s disagreement, that doesn’t even need to be resolved in order for it to still be a fair post. Likewise, people hearting the post to agree is also fair:

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However, and I’m not saying there’s a hard science to giving a heart (note Vict0ar’s ironic heart), a few posters who hearted that post also hearted the post wherein Trolly says, essentially, “Lol nobody reads 6ix posts” (and, as an aside, note our proud future mod Rugby thought to give that little hear a little click):

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That’s a level of toxic shitposting equivalent to flailing about trying to chew off your own hand to get it unstuck from the honeypot.

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Lol, I wanted to leave it at that but I can’t resist putting a finer point on it: Try to imagine that when Wookie made that “Community… Dying” post there was a bunch of “tl;dr” and “nobody reads no Wookie posts” and “lol verbose much bro” and then, on top of that, those posters went on to express that Wookie and his side must be wrong regardless. Seriously, devote 20 seconds to actually trying to imagine it.

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tl;dr: Yeah, good post, it probably will be a problem.

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495

Please be kind here and in the new sub

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Everyone needs to be more kind when posting. Before you post take a beat and ask yourself “am I being unkind here? Can I be better?”

People shouldn’t be afraid to scrap posts entirely before hitting the final reply button. They are just words and not precious.

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