RFC: Permanently Ban Churchill

I have deleted my post at the request of a mod (@JonnyA) in the spirit of trying to end this argument, and I ask everyone to leave jalfrezi alone.

We can agree to disagree.

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No we can’t!

Clearly. See thread title.

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This is the post that started it, in which he lols at two users hoping to be able to vaccinate their children under five. That’s the start of the incident. You seem to think the incident started a few posts later when they were arguing over cites. As the exchange heats up, he takes a shot at Wookie for his kid(s) having caught it and for his testing regimen or lack thereof.

Meanwhile some of your cites don’t exactly say what you think they say. But that belongs in the COVID thread.

i’m sorry but are you serious? Is your point that the guy who has been banned 20 times for work in the covid thread has at least one post that you can argue it’s not trolling?

Again, this is the post that started it, not the ones you keep referencing. Maybe you have me on ignore, I dunno.

Oh yeah we antagonized him by, checks notes, hoping that our children could get vaccinated soon.

Give me a fucking break

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Was this more or less obnoxious than the abusive pms he sent Zara?

Like, you’re citing the third or forth post of his in the interaction and essentially saying, “See! He didn’t cite this, but it’s citable, so it’s not trolling.”

My point is the whole interaction started as trolling. To claim that it’s overall good faith or that he’s not just a troll because like 10% of the interaction was him posting a claim that could possibly be cited is missing the forest for the trees.

I know you said you haven’t followed that thread and have him on mute, but I have and imo it is option 1 and not option 2. In fact your option 1 pretty elloquently sums things up as far as my experience as a mostly anonymous reader.

The individual in question has spent years scoreboarding American COVID deaths in highly nationalistic and frankly gross ways, taking dozens of moderator actions in the process. Enough is enough imo.

I haven’t seen anything to suggest they contribute in any other thread (aside from a couple drive-bys to troll the Ukraine thread), but I’d be happy to hear they do participate elsewhere. Would prefer they were forbidden from the next couple dozen inevitable times the oxygen gets sucked out of the covid thread rather than a full ban (tho I’m not sure what the functional difference is if there isn’t participation elsewhere), but that doesn’t seem like a thing.

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We really can’t, since your nonsense is based on things you completely made up about things you have no knowledge of, whereas I have knowledge of it since I know him. Which is how I know it’s nonsense, rather than just making a wild assertion in the total absence of knowledge, which you are doing.

Didn’t you say you were sure he’s over there at nationalist boards using the N word? Truly unhinged shit.

The sheer audacity of writing a post that describes yourself to a T

What’s the point of flaming someone who is trying to walk away from the argument? Seems needlessly provocative.

@AngryQueer I’m extremely confused by your position on this. Why would churchill being banned run you off?

Is this just because you’re more or less opposed to any bans for anything less than horse porn, doxxing, threats, etc? Or is it about churchill in particular?

I think you also said it would be like banning you, which I guess might have just been your way of saying you’d leave, but like nobody wants you to leave as far as I know, and you seem to be an extremely appreciated and welcome member of the community. Am I missing something from some other thread I don’t read?

Churchill trolls less than 100% of the time but more than 0% of the time. When he does troll, he’s usually the instigator.

I’m not convinced he should banned, but I am convinced he’s not the victim here.

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Is it your position that someone who was relentlessly scorned, mocked, and banned for posting “bad faith misinformation” is the INSTIGATING TROLL when he returns to show that time has proven him to be correct about something?

It’s also strange because in their 20+ bans, Churchill has spent almost as much time not being able to post here as posting here!

Maybe by their 40th ban some people will be in favor of a perma.

I get that when it was just Wookie banning him certain people disliked the outcome. We’ve had what, 6+ people ban Churchill now? More?

Wookie, goofy, jman, et al, feel the same about me as they do about Churchill, Sabo, and others.

I stuck around trying to keep Sabo from remaining perma’ed, but maybe I should have realized how futile that was. Goofy was trolling/calvinballing when he said I wasn’t living up to my principles since I didn’t leave when Sabo’s perma reversal was reversed, but after trying to stop it the first time, I’ll just take a lesson from the second time.

It’s not worth staying at a place where calvinballers keep winning at kicking out people they constantly take the worst possible view and interpretation of because they prefer to post at an ass-kissing echo chamber. That’s boring.