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The craziest part about Hellmuth’s success in my eyes is that he somehow also keeps ‘answering’ his critcs in a way. They used to say he’s only winning large field NLH events against amateurs. So he started winning a lot more in mixed games. Then a lot more in high stakes tournaments. Then in the HU SnG’s series on PokerGO. The only format he constantly failed at is deep stack cash games.

I still think the most probable explanation is that he’s the luckiest poker player in history, but i’m open to other suggestions.

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Maybe being elite at live reads is more valuable than you think.

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right now the most valuable skill in poker by far, and continues to increase with more “GTO” strategies.

Which side do you like more for betting that Phil Hellmuth will have positive net winnings at the 2024 WSOP next year?
  • I like betting on Phil to be a winner next year
  • I like betting on Phil to be a loser next year
  • Not sure

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I’ll take this bet next year if someone wants. Terms to be negotiated obviously.

I’m curious on your comment. Can you elaborate. My not very thought out initial response would be the opposite.

As long as people start playing the same more and more over time which they are (preflop charts, GTO, etc), then the biggest edge is reading when they are bluffing or not.

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I wouldn’t say Hellmuth has particularly good reads. A lot of his soul-reading hero plays have been way off.

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I do appreciate how humble he is after a win (links to instagram reel don’t work for some reason. just click on the story)

https://www.instagram.com/pokernews/

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I don’t think I would take that bet, but I would take Phil’s side in an “every WSOP event 10k or less” package where you are selling his action at even.

For the reasons I said earlier that’s literally the only form of poker I think he is probably a favourite, although I don’t think by that much.

I’ll give you 1.06

Are you imagining a real value cross book? That is way more than I am willing to bet with people I don’t know irl.

Like .5% or 1% or something small for fun.

I don’t particularly like Phil Hellmuth and understand that most pros think he’s a fish in high stakes cash games, but to say he’s a bad poker player is insane. Sorry, he’s not lapping the field in WSOP bracelets because he’s just the luckiest guy on Earth.

I’m not saying he’s the GOAT overall poker player or something, but he’s clearly a good player, particularly in tournaments.

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obviously he’s doing something right

it’s just when you see him play deep stack cash and that’s what I did instead of tournaments; it’s like how

I think he’d beat 2/5 live at the local casino though.

Why can’t it be luck? Do you agree someone has to be the statistically luckiest player?

He has played what 500+ wsop events?

million dollar idea: pay a poker pro to play in your local home game. kinda like how you used to be able to pay a pro golfer to be part of your foursome. who wouldn’t drop $50k to have Phil join the local .50-1 dealers choice for 5 hours?

Dont really want to fade paying $10k downside with $500 upside if he binks some millymaker thing.

If you want to make a set money bet I’d be up for that.

I dunno, if someone can come up with something reasonable I’d probably do it. It’s hard to do a 50-50 bet on tourneys because the tail is way longer on one end and rare results make up a huge chunk of your EV.

Maybe Phil gets a top X result at WSOP2024? Not sure what would be reasonable, I think even money is probably between 2nd and 3rd. I think I would take 3rd, with the caveat that he has to play 20+ events.