You think it’s better for poker if a female wasn’t cheating but got bullied and harassed by a male player she won a pot from fairly until she felt she had to give him his money back?
Interesting.
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There’s a picture of the mic pack on the back left side, with the antenna visible. Also it’s the wrong size and shape for the mic pack.
That’s the last time we’ll see him on the far left.
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Frankly it’s way more likely to be a makeup case than some sort of cheating device.
In the context of the hand, the vibration, and the picture of the object, I strongly disagree. Also the timing of the vibration right before she folds adds to the suspicion.
Vibration, lol, the whole back of the chair was shaking, dude. You think some kind of subtle cheating vibrator is going to shake a chair back like that and do it without alerting the people sitting right next to her? Your perception is really screwy on this one, dude.
I can’t believe nobody has noticed the guy in the cowboy hat mouthing “call” “call” “call” several times.
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This - of all the ways to cheat, a device that shakes your entire body and chair is the dumbest. I get cheaters can be dumb, but that makes zero sense.
It also doesn’t match with the theory she had a phone in her pocket. A vibrating phone is not going to be that strong.
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This is the best thread ever
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I think it’s possible. As Berkey pointed out, and he is mostly on her side on this, her legs aren’t moving when the chair shakes. I also think it looks like a perfectly rhythmic shaking, which isn’t exactly what you’d get from someone shaking their legs/feet.
If I were sitting next to her, saw the shaking, and couldn’t see her legs or didn’t look at her legs, I’d assume she was just bouncing her leg. People do that at the poker table all the time.
Look how blatant some of the Postle stuff was in hindsight.
While the cleanest explanation would have the two things go hand-in-hand, it’s also possible they’re just two different data points that add suspicion. I don’t see how anyone can be 100% either way, I think it’s very likely she cheated but I can’t be 100% sure.
People ITT are hand-waving away a lot of VERY suspicious evidence, while also analyzing it in a vacuum and pretending live streams have never been cheated before.
Like, run a live streamed poker game for hundreds of thousands of dollars and it’s when, not if, someone will try to cheat it.
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Either this or the one about negotiating with landlords.
I’m pretty confident the galaxy brains here could crack the current chess cheating conundrum in a day.
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Side note, live poker is never dying. The comments on TikTok about this are hilarious. Most common take is that she “outbluffed” him by calling. Also that calling with 55% when getting 1.5 to 1 is a losing play and wouldn’t be something a cheater would do.
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those takes are not worse that some of yours itt. 
jk
the interesting part here going forward is how HCL recovers. assuming they don’t find any cheating (spoiler - they won’t), they either have to come out guns blazing against garrett and hope they can win the reputation battle or they are pretty much toast.
Agreed. I think HCL handled this the worst of any parties. Garrett’s reaction makes sense, he thinks he was cheated and so thinks he deserves his money back.
HCL either let a cheater return to their game or helped Garrett force a non-cheater to pay her back (yes, they said they had no role, but that is bs as they pulled her from the table and brought her to a private off-camera place to have a conversation with Garrett. What did they think was going to happen in that spot?).
Also, if cheating happened, HCL likely has an inside man or their software has been compromised, so how do you allow streams to continue without firing everyone involved in that stream.
i mean even if none of the money shit happened, their top asset and one of the most popular players in the world is saying there game has been hacked.
they can’t just shrug it off and continue. i mean maybe they can, but i doubt it. stones live never continued. they should sue the fuck out of garrett if they are convinced no cheating happened.
They’re going to run two outside investigations. If they don’t find anything, my guess is that they pressure him to repay her and apologize, then they step up their security. Having a rule against electronics and only using the honor system to enforce it is a joke, they are going to have to start using medal detectors/wands or something.
Yeah I think the proper action here would have been to escrow the pot and send both players home, or decline to get involved in the money and ban both players pending an investigation (or ask them to agree not to play until the investigation runs, which they might agree to without forcing them).
Yeah, exactly. I know Vertucci wasn’t there, but Feldman was, and it’s pretty crazy to think they hadn’t discussed this possibility in advance. Like we all saw Postle, we all know people will try, to not have a contingency plan on how to handle it is amateur hour.
garrett also didn’t really leave an out for hcl.
he went straight to the shuffler was hacked and the vibrating theory. if he just went with ‘maybe she saw my cards when the dealer dealt them’ it can somehow fly. but once you go to “HCL product has been hacked by cheaters” you can’t come back.
I think the industry needs to adapt, here are a few things that would greatly reduce the risk - all should be considered:
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I believe they currently record the broadcast live and transmit it on a delay, they should reverse that. Let one computer record the feed and then transmit it to the booth on a 30 minute delay. This way, either zero people or one person would see the live info. The rest of the crew wouldn’t see any hole card info until the hand was over - unless someone tanked long enough to beat the 30 minute delay.
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They should consider going to hard-wired hole card cams. We know it’s possible to hack RFID, and the wireless nature of it creates an opportunity. It’s much harder to hack hole card cams if they’re hard-wired. This would also give players the option to show their cards at the end of the hand, and production would then have some extra work to do but could still get the graphics in at the beginning of the hand on the tape-delayed broadcast. This creates a lot of extra work and makes the graphics software much harder to use. But it makes the game way more secure.
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They could use some sort of Faraday cage or something around the table and/or around the production booth, and have hardwired transmission between the two.
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The glass around the room the game is in should be replaced by solid walls so that there’s no chance anyone outside the room can see in or relay information in.
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Metal detector/wand for everyone coming in and out.
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They should swap out the RFID cards every couple hours. My understanding is that the new decks have to be configured with the software, which takes a few minutes. Do a five minute break every two hours to swap them out, which would make any system that hacked the RFID chips harder to use and profit off of.
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They need a system in place that is known in advance of how they’re going to deal with this type of situation.
Did he say that? I missed it. I saw him mention the vibrating thing, but not that the shuffler was hacked or the RFID was hacked. Or are you piecing that together because he said he explicitly trusts the crew?
Keep in mind that the shuffler/RFID being hacked doesn’t automatically implicate HCL as being maliciously involved, it could just be negligence creating an opening, or an insider at the shuffler company, RFID chip company, card company, etc.
Dealer flashing a card by accident (or on purpose) is possible, but his hole card check was pretty locked down given the angles involved, no way anyone else saw it.