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I see this pretty regularly. A couple times a year for sure. Mostly subtle things like calling her sweetie or otherwise talking down. Certainly seen several examples of straight up abuse. Also do you know any female dealers? Ask them I guarantee they will give you endless examples of mistreatment by players due to their gender.

I know a dealer who get aggressively hit on and even touched weekly.

The two strongest dealers here for years were two women who were probably 19ish when they each started and had 5/8 years experience when the poker room shut here for covid. They were both very capable of handling themselves and the game. Both would get more than a few comments, largely by men 3x their age.

Friends with the one because she was a gigantic nerd, traveled for cosplay stuff, although she did tell me this week she’s done with marvel because it’s “too woke.” :grimacing:

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For dealers I think it depends a lot on the casino. Some let anything go and players know it. Have you played in California? I’ve seen some truly unreal shit there. You could probably grope a woman while wearing a kkk mask and not get kicked out!

I wish there was video of this so I could see exactly how it goes down. It would be both instructional and entertaining.

The time I drove the guy off I came close to getting a ban myself cause I went over the line. He berated and called the best female dealer in the city a bitch and whore (second one “under his breath”) due to the runout so I called house and they refused to act so I tore into the guy for like 20 min telling him what an awful person he was, how pathetic, what a fish he was, incel the whole thing. He finally called house and they gave me a warning. Lol. I lost it on the houseman! I didn’t stop on the player and he finally just picked up and left. Next day I spoke to the casino manager about the houseman. The dealer thanked me a couple weeks later.

Anyone who has ever berated a dealer for the random nature of the cards is a genuinely, and to the core, awful and irredeemable human. This is the absolute worst poker trait anyone can have.

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Best one I ever saw was actually in Vegas though and wasn’t me. Playing at Bellagio and this middle aged chubby guy lost a huge pot to a younger woman at the table and he said something like “you should blow me for that kind of money”. Also at the table was the biggest guy I had ever seen. Like 300lbs bodybuilder type. He didn’t skip a beat and said to the guy “if I were you I would leave this table right now or you are not going to like the result”. Dude practically sprinted from the table.

Yeah my, albeit limited, live experience in Australia with female dealers has virtually always ranged from witnessing constant microaggression to outright abuse.

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Realistically what’s the 300lb guy gonna do in a crowded casino with a bunch of cameras and witnesses. I’m a bit surprised that the idiot misogynist folded so easily.

You should have seen this dude. If he politely asked me to clean his shoes I would have complied. :joy:

Also while it doesn’t excuse the worst comments, a few of the times I’ve seen guys make a female dealer cry it was one who was so bad at their job they should have been fired imo. Every casino/liquor employee in Manitoba is government employed so they have a strong union but after a few years she was by far the slowest dealer I’d ever seen, never engaged in hands, constantly losing track of action, messing up action, misdeals etc. A ton of regs sat out, left etc on her downs.

Can someone explain the now apparently standard super small flop bet followed by turn over bet line? I legit don’t get it but it seems like lots of very good winning cash players do this.

Basically betting smaller allows you to bet a larger portion, if not basically all of your range on the more dry textured boards.

Turn strategy is basically polarizing your range while making it tough on their primarily weaker one pair holdings.

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What in the absolute fuck. Ted Cruz was on poker after dark this week! What the fuck simulation am I in!?!

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The scenario I seem to encounter a lot, though, is I have a one pair hand, I think I’m good on the flop, and the turn is wet. If I’ve bet 1/2 pot or more on the flop I can eliminate a lot of hands. But if I’ve bet small who knows what they turned. Basically I’m saying I suck at actually playing poker and I don’t think this line is right for a mediocre player like me.

If you’re playing 1/2 or a soft game you can still probably get 3 streets with KQ on K62r or whatever, but you should probably just be reducing the amount of hands you bet for value for 3 streets if you’re playing higher vs half competent ppl.

My default there is to just check flop back because it’s so dry and I would do it with lots of ace high type hands, then try for two streets of value.

I’m a 40ish guy who looks absolutely clueless in live games (tourist look to the max), surely that should influence my strategy. I find myself trying to trap vs. aggressive young guys a lot, but that may not be right.

It’s not.optimal imo. That’s Bruce’s constant line and it’s way too 2004. Aggressive young players are not going to be trapped by the middle aged tourist looking guy. They expect you to peddle the nuts.

Imo trapping is way way overused as an excuse to play abc.

It’s mostly what Ao said. You bet like 1/3 pot so you can bet your whole range and people are likely massively overfolding to it, in that they’re supposed to peel you super, super wide but they’re probably folding all non-pair, non-immediate draw hands. They’re also supposed to x/r you a decently high amount on most of the boards where you do it too and they’re not so you get to control the size of the pot and evaluate when they check the turn to you. Then on the turn you get super polarized and in my experience they massively overfold to this too (at least online, haven’t played live in a while). I’m probably more unbalanced towards bluffs with this line just because they fold turn so often, probably even folding shit like TPGK if they’re not used to it. And of course it gets you max value when you do have a strong hand and they decide to call, and you get to play for stacks on the river if you want.

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That’s not my constant line. My line is very player-dependent.

For aggressive guys who are too aggressive, I try to call the flop with enough hands to have a turn raising range that includes at least some semibluffs. Not the optimal amount, but more than most players at the level I play.

I try to trap often enough so my delayed c-bets get respect.

I don’t induce leveling wars.

The whole point is to avoid eliminating too many hands from their range, so if you’re bad at hand-reading, then maybe, yeah, don’t play that way.