Is this kosher? I know it’s cash and not tournament, but I don’t softplay ever:
I just thought it was universally frowned upon.
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It’s fine. I would never do it but it has no effect on anyone else. It would make me watch those two more closely to make sure actual collusion isn’t happening.
No it’s not or you just happen to run into the exact same player type at every table forcing you to take the exact same weak tight line in every hand.
I do it because every time it’s done to me I’m like fuck this sucks what the hell do I do.
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Yeah, it’s really hard to play against; especially if they’re doing it on the right boards. If they start doing it on wet boards or on dynamic turns you can wreck them fairly easily just because your range is going to be narrower than theirs and you’re going to hit the draws more for that reason. Calling down with one pair against it on those dry boards is definitely not fun but necessary sometimes if they’re competent.
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It’s so interesting how poker evolves. I remember when I started during the first boom and you could confidently call off with tpgk for almost any number of bbs and be good because people were so bad. I miss those days.
It would be interesting to see the bb/hour rate of a very good player today playing in 2003.
I would like to try and make the definitive timeline of big poker evolutions. I’m sure everyone would have their own list though. I think
- Realising limping is bad and limp calling is worse
- Realising you can C Bet a lot of boards and take it down uncontested and that that is a good way to make consistent profit
- Realising you can play 50% of hands on the button because position is so powerful
- The invention of the “light” 3 bet maybe even 3 betting a non Premium pair
- The general concept of ranges rather than “I just dont think he got it”
- The truly light 3 bet as part of a balanced range
- 3 bet 4 bet wars
- Betsizing that isn’t just 75% pot each street.
- Other solver crap that I’m not up on yet.
How good your game is depends how far down that list the general playerbase is.
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0 should be paying attention at all to your opponent instead of just playing your own cards. Many players never progress past this even today.
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Also need raising small pre-flop rather than at least 3x. In a new game that’s my quickest read on how good someone is.
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Feels like a good 2/5 reg today would be among the best in the world in 2003. I wonder if same is true for other games like chess. Would a middle good player today be world class 20 years ago in other games too?
If we are talking tournament poker needs a spot for ICM too. Could maybe do a different mtt list.
Being stuck on stage 4 is why my poker career never took off (and I was always terrible at non-limit games)
Gotta pay 1000 US dollars for “Let There Be Range!” imo.
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I don’t bother posting hands where I take a standard line.
Yeah the MTT Evolution is something like:
1998: Realizing that everybody plays way too tight and the most aggressive player always wins
2003: Concepts from Harrington on Holdem, people actually figuring out how to play short stacks decently
2007: 3-betting light introduced to the world for the first time.
2009: Era of pure preflop aggression begins. Every pot is 3/4/5 bet pre.
2010: The best poker players start trying to play every hand when super deepstacked, it often does not go well.
2011: Range Merge enters the lexicon
2012: Still nobody has any idea what Range Merge means
Also 2012: ICM and other concepts start entering the tournament poker world. Open shoving with more than 10bb becomes more normal.
2016: People have completely given themselves up to the altar of ICM. Any situation where you are on the bubble or at a final table, if a hand question is asked where there is a stack shorter than you, the answer is 100% “Fold because ICM LOL”
2018: Solvers and other stuff enter the picture, concept of playing more passively and controlling the pot becomes more popular.
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Def not true for chess. Not even close.
Watching the National Spelling Bee Final today. It’s somewhat true for this. Looking over the lists of the past winning words, they seem to get quite a bit harder over time.
It wouldn’t be much different to the best crushers of the time purely because the game played so showdown based.
Polk V Jungleman live HU
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Remember when Jungle got caught ghosting, wrote a super cringe blog about it, and everyone forgot and moved on? One of the douchier pros around.
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