On the Origins of Covid

The worst kind of conspiracy theories in the world!

This obviously won’t ever get a response, which should speak for itself.

Confusing people refusing to take you seriously with you having a point is an option I guess.

Regardless, this should have stopped a long time ago. It’s time.

You lied about me and what I said and then ignored me when challenged. As I said, it speaks for itself.

Seriously, can we not make this thread the next place where all the people creating and looking for stupid ass drama hang out?

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a few hours earlier:

Realize that was just tossed aside for the bat gave a worker in the wuhan lab theory because it didn’t fit that narrative.

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AIDS escaped from an AIDS lab you jokers.

That’s what I tried to explain but it’s like trying to make a toddler understand

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Literally the same reason we can’t see Trump is becoming the president again in August. They don’t want us to know

Lots of bats in Austin.

I predict the next major world wide virus will be caused by the Joe Rogan conclave.

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The WHO team says its inability to examine blood samples from people who gave blood in Wuhan in the weeks, months, and years before the outbreak denied the team evidence of “great added value”. Officials from Wuhan Blood Centre gave a presentation but no samples were made available. The WHO report recommends antibody testing on blood donor samples from the last three months of 2019, with regulatory and ethical “approval”. It says no conclusion can be made about Covid-19 causing flu-like illnesses in adults in December 2019.

Swab samples from adults from the last three weeks of December were not available either. Therefore no conclusions can be made about Covid-19 causing flu like illnesses in those weeks, the WHO said.

I spent a chunk of the morning actually reading the WHO report. Notwithstanding its stated conclusion, it should definitely make you significantly more likely to believe the lab escape theory than you were before. The summary is that they looked for COVID in a bunch of different animals and came up empty. They didn’t really look at lab leak scenarios and naturally came up empty there too. That’s basically the report.

Of course, the fact that the no-lab-leak conclusion was immediately denounced by the head of the CDC during most of the pandemic, the US Secretary of State, 11 other western nations and the head of the WHO itself should probably also increase your estimate of the lab-leak likelihood, but that’s not strictly scientific.

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Have they released the annexes to the report yet?

Here.

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This final observation may be nothing. But it stands out. Some in China have claimed the World Military Games in Wuhan, in the weeks before the outbreak, was when foreigners taking part could’ve imported the virus. The WHO team asked for information on “mass gatherings in Wuhan in late 2019”. Chinese authorities provided information on “international gatherings” held in Wuhan in that time.

Five participants were treated, on site, for serious illnesses, according to the records. None had serious respiratory diseases, and there was no sign of clusters of fever. But the WHO report says the data from the clinics which treated the participants has not been evaluated by the joint team.

If there are any available samples from those visiting athletes, especially those who got sick, obviously they should be tested.

Not true at all, but even if it was, idk how that’s evidence that lab leak was more likely.

The rumours of a leak from the laboratory were refuted categorically by the laboratory director for the following reasons:

  • among the three SARS-like viruses cultured in the laboratory, none are closely related to SARS-CoV-2. The only SARS-CoV-2-like virus found by this group is RaTG13, which is neither a live (cultured) virus nor the progenitor of SARS-CoV-2
  • a paper by leading virologists in Nature rebutted the idea of a bioengineered source
  • WIV has a strong biosafety management system; the biosafety laboratory comes under
    different authorities, with independent assessments for the National Health Commission, for
    instance
  • The reserved sera in April 2019 and March 2020 from all the workers and students in
    research group led by Professor Shi Zhengli were seronegative for SARS-CoV-2 antibodies.
  • The laboratory director, responding to laboratory-leak theories, commented that from 2010,
    including the P3 laboratory, WIV has conducted experiments with more than 10,000 entries, and the P4 laboratory has conducted experiments with more than 3,000 entries in the last 3 years. No infection was ever reported. Close contacts would have been infected if there had been a laboratory leak.
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Oh, the lab director of the Wuhan Institute of Virology categorically refuted it? Case closed!

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