That’s not what the thing you linked says - it says they had not been diagnosed with mental illness. I struggle to think of a single mass shooting where everyone doesn’t list a litany of obvious behavioral issues this person had.
People exhibit signs of extreme mental illness all the time without any flags being raised or treatment sought. You need to seek treatment to get a diagnosis.
William December Williams Jr. may or may not be a douche, idk but change it to Billy Dee and he sounds pretty cool.
Mental illness isn’t the issue. The issue is those with mental illness have easy access in the US.
That is what my position is. But discounting mental illness as a non factor is retarded. It is like an overwhelming common factor.
In other news 4 killed literally a few blocks from me today. By knife! It’s an epidemic. Def just guns.
To be clear I am fully in support of strict, strict gun control. Restricting everyone to single shot bolt action guns and shotguns is fine by me. But clearly some other shits going on too.
The beginning of extreme symptoms is a great point, many mental illnesses do not manifest themselves until the 18-25 age range, which not coincidentally is the age of many of these mass killers.
There’s also the category of people who are severely depressed, but not clinically depressed.
For example, a young man about six months out of college goes to see a therapist because he’s been feeling very depressed, having trouble sleeping, etc… The therapist asks what’s been going on in his life, and he says he’s just gone through a devastating breakup, he’s working 80 hours a week and he’s stressed. The therapist says, “Well, it sure sounds like you should be depressed right now, you’re going through a transition period from school to work, which is hard, AND you just had a bad breakup,” and gives him some advice on coping/growing/etc. This person is not clinically depressed or suffering from diagnosable mental illness… but presumably, he’s at increased risk for any number of incidents, from traffic accidents to workplace errors to road rage to suicide to murder.
How is that counted in the statistics?
Exactly. Like, we should absolutely address mental illness and try to enact policy to lead to more/earlier diagnoses that allow us to help people and prevent these… But to pretend that’s the primary component of preventing mass murders is just not accurate - it’s gotta be the secondary component of any good solution, and the primary component has to be a variety of gun control measures.
Yea for sure. But the right makes it look like liberalism is a disease so they need guns in order to stop liberals from killing everyone. It’s insane.
When anybody mentions the mental illness angle just say, “I know right, that’s why we want that sweet ass UHC, problem solved… So, anyways… Since that’s out of the way, how about those guns, huh?”
LOL I never even considered that but yea, you are right.
“Gun violence is a mental issue!”
“OK, so let’s have M4A to solve that.”
Unless you’re talking about PMs, I see a short conversation in chronological, convenient, online forum style. Don’t project all over me.
Anyhow, this is the part I found potentially troubling:
Like I said, if this was anticipating what the idiots would say then it’s prescient but if you actually believe it then it’s ludicrous and horrific.
“Hey sis, you and these random black people won’t do the socialism so I’m gonna kill you.”
And murdering boomers, are you fucking with us? There are probably dozens of posts on the old forums expressing that same sentiment word for word.
I guess the above applies here too. Any slightest hint of both-sidesism is outlandish. Ideally it shouldn’t even be dignified with a response. You think you’re doing Smart Guy Centrism but you might be inadvertently normalizing white nationalism. There’s nothing extreme about the El Paso shooter’s views if we define “extreme” as outside of Fox news and the fucking president’s daily statements, and really there’s nothing extreme about his actions if we consider that without machine guns it’d be a “normal” hate crime.
Before you reply, I know you think I might be talking past you but I’m not.
Thiessen and Hugh Hewitt are engaged in a never-ending struggle for the title of Biggest GOP Toady on WaPo.
Not gonna lie I do hate boomers. Not enough to kill them… but enough to not top up social security after the currency gets devalued.
It’s not considered because it’s hard to process that the people who don’t want uhc/m4a would so fucking brazen as to invoke mental health support networks when convenient.
But they’re mostly dumb, and the smart ones are trying to square the circle, so you can just nip their bullshit in the bud. The natural aversion to it is that mental health is never trotted out for other criminals, usually minority and/or lower class, but because the rebuttal is so quick and effective there’s no need to wade in the muck.
It even doubles as a gun argument because uhc/m4a would provide a robust doctor and patient network, making background checks easier and more effective.
If you want to play it fast and lose you can bring up Dylann Roof, one of the more heinous mass shooters but also a textbook example of somebody who would’ve easily benefited from some burly left policies and went on to live a fine, murderless life. One of the lesser tragedies of his mass murder is the simplicity with which it could’ve been avoided in a non-dysfunctional society.
Like,
“You didn’t think I was gonna call your bluff and ‘defend’ Dylann Roof but I ain’t your daddy’s leftist. You healthcare-hating deplorable motherfuckers let him self-medicate his mental illnesses with drugs and alcohol so as far as I’m concerned the blood of the God-fearing churchgoers he shot down is on your hands… Anywhoo, ready to talk about guns?”
Something like that. It’s a lvl70 maneuver.
Near zero % chance this guy hasn’t molested someone or something at some point, I mean just look at him
Picciolini said that even if the U.S. could get a handle on its gun problem, terrorists can always find other ways. McVeigh had his car bomb, the September 11th hijackers had their airplanes, Islamic State attackers have suicide bombings, trucks, and knives. “I have to ask myself, Do we have white-nationalist airline pilots? ” Picciolini said. “There have to be. I knew people in powerful positions, in politics, in law enforcement, who were secretly white nationalists. I think we’d be stupid and selfish to think that we don’t have those in the truck-driving industry.”
No, that’s socialism!
(Paul Jr. throws chair)
It seems like, perhaps, their definition was a bit too narrow.
In law enforcement? You don’t say…
What do you think the Dee stands for?