I agree. Active shooters with assault rifles should scare cops. Let’s make sure no one has access to assault rifles.
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To be fair the police only got barely 40% of the town’s budget. Not really easy to save kids on such a small amount of money. Look at all the money wasted on the library.
As someone who used to do school security design, Ted Cruz likely heard “single point of entry” and his dumb brain just translated it to one door in and out of the school.
Almost all of the schools that hired me as a consultant went to a single point of entry security plan. For schools that were able to, we often times built a security vestibule to force visitors into the office with a locked door from there into the school. Other schools that didn’t lend themselves to a security vestibule went with locking the front door during the day and using intercoms/cameras to allow people in. All doors, of course, had free egress.
With all that said, single point of entry design can help in elementary schools. Most of those shootings are from people that don’t belong in the school. High school gets a lot more difficult because those shootings are usually from students that are supposed to be there.
We all know this, but we’re just putting band aids on the symptoms of the ultimate problem which is guns suck and should be banned.
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I can’t believe I’m reading all of this correctly. A town of <20,000 has a SWAT team? That waits around for Border Patrol to show up when there’s a shooting? What’s the fucking point of that?
https://twitter.com/billcorbett/status/1530061600102567936?s=21&t=w7sGcNOuvYGdcw2Y6Ie0tw
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I assume most police training is centered around protecting their own lives. Which is why they will 100% kill someone else if they feel like there is a 1% chance of them dying.
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WTF, had no idea this was the case
https://twitter.com/ryanlcooper/status/1530213539373268995?s=21&t=UokEcMJgpYWS5XIgXsubIw
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I have taught in police academies for a long time. While I’ve never taught active shooter training, I’ve sat through a fair number of them over the years. Post-Columbine police doctrine on school shootings is really fucking simple. You do not stage. You do not wait for backup. You do not form a plan. You rush inside immediately. You are Leroy Jenkins. If you are a police officer you grab any other officers who might be there to go with you, no matter what department. Peace Officer there? Yeah he’s coming too. Armed security guard from the bank across the street came outside to see what’s going on? You’re asking him if he’ll come too, and then you engage, immediately, with whatever weapons you have on hand. The idea is that as long as you are actively engaging the shooter, the shooter does not have time to actively murder children. You engage until backup arrives, the shooter is dead, or you are dead. This is what every police officer who has attended an academy in the United States in the past twenty years has been taught. That clearly did not happen here, or Parkland, or at any number of other shootings.
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WE GOT A BLAME ON VIDEO GAMES! what bingo slot is that? middle square?
These cowards look so fucking stupid in their cowboy hats. Like that will somehow make us forget how badly they shat the bed.
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So what do you think is going on with respect to police training seemingly not translating to effective real world action?
Why does it seem like teachers are more willing to take action than police?
…that’s like 1 million people owning 200 guns on average!
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There’s nothing wrong with the training. There’s something wrong with the police, and our gun laws.
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Perhaps this is semantic, but if, for example, we found that pilots were consistently doing things inconsistent with their training in life threatening situations, we would say ok something is wrong with the design of this system or their training. We wouldn’t just say “there’s something wrong with pilots”.
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Only Radical Socialist Woke Libruls would arm just one kid. Every kid should be armed. Except the dangerous black and brown ones.
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To put that into perspective, half the guns in America is 196,673,500 guns*. 3% of American adults is 7,749,000 people. The average person in that 3% owns 25 guns.
Basically, 3% of American adults are preparing for the apocalypse.
*That number is as of 2017 by the way. So it’s probably considerably more than that in 2022.
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I’d have bet heavily on you knowing it. Maybe not exactly 3%, but under 10% for sure.
Sort of. They are trained first and foremost to protect their pensions. By extension, they have to protect their lives.
My kids’ HS put a big iron fence around and normally only one way in or out and it seemed patently obvious that they were just locking people in with the most likely potential shooters.
They also told people not to leave their classrooms for fire drills until a second alarm clearing it because they were afraid a shooter would pull the alarm. Thousands of people die in fires every year. That is not smart.
Also they did drills where the police ran around pointing guns at the students and they were probably more likely to get accidentally shot by a cop than in a school shooting.
Big hat, no cattle
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Fair. What I meant was: There are lots of shootings where police do perform per training and casualties are often lower in those shootings then in cases like this one. However the root fucking problem is still the gun laws and the police in this country, not the training. You can only “train” people that they need to put their lives on the line to protect others. That doesn’t mean they’ll do it. People, including cops, don’t want to die and in that moment, who knows how anyone would react? The only actual solution is gun control.
Edit: My point in the original post was to make sure that what these cops did can’t be waived away as “what they were trained to do.” They weren’t. They did what they did because they were afraid.
Second Edit: Also worth pointing out that in the Buffalo incident two weeks ago, it seems like the police (and the retired police officer / security guard who was killed) probably did do what they were trained to do (if you can believe the reports so far which… fair enough). A lot of people still died, but more probably would have if the shooter hadn’t been stopped so quickly. There are no good options in these active shooter situations, only less bad ones. And the less bad one in a school shooting is clearly to rush. Waiting is the worst possible option.
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