No one in this thread is unaware of the gun problem in this country.
No one in this thread agrees that the first step is to disarm the police because as Khumbiya as that would be it isn’t going to happen ever, so you come across as another gun porn aficionado who tries to hide his bullshit gun porn and pretends to be on the side of real change in this country.
I hope you never are put in a position to have to use your bevy of bullet-throwers.
It’s so odd that you dont have an answer for this.
Hint: it’s because “I need a gun to stop tyranny” is a bullshit lie. You have no interest in stopping tyranny when you see it, you just want to “protect” your own ass with a gun that statistically will hurt you or someone you love looooooong before it protects you from anyone trying to harm you. You are no better than the “fuck yall, got mine” group, but you like to pretend you are with your “I need my gun to protect me from the tyrannical government” bullshit.
I try not to use straw man arguments and if I did, I apologize. I’m clearly a minority ITT who supports 2A, so it’s hard not to resort to “standard shit” when I’m getting the “standard shit” counter arguments slung at me from all sides. I’ve decided to only respond to reasonable points and ignore the intellectually void responses like jawax13, kerowo, and other recent ones
In short, I agree there is a gun problem in this country. No one wants lunatics getting their hands on semi-automatic rifles and shooting up a school, movie, mall, etc. It’s tragic and I’m on record for whatever reforms necessary to keep firearms out of a lunatic’s hands, be it background checks, waiting periods, tests, licensing, etc. But as tragic as those incidents are, we all know why James Holmes shot up a movie theater. He’s severely mentally disturbed. But what I find it ever so much more tragic is when minorities get murdered in plain sight at the hands of ostensibly stable trained law enforcement officers! So I wanna talk about THIS first! Why isn’t this in the gun thread? Does anyone seriously think that if it weren’t for cops having overwhelming firepower George Floyd might be alive right now? And even if you disagree, don’t you think there’s at least more of a chance that an angry, potentially violent crowd could’ve that would’ve caused the officers to expedite whatever the fuck they were doing to him so the fuckhead pig with his knee on his neck would’ve eased up sooner?
@NotBruceZ Sorta agree. Mobs can be good in defeating tyranny, but usually don’t quite do the trick. After Anthony Lamar Smith’s killer got off protests erupted, but here we still are… What I’m advocating for more than anything else, is police accountability. That can’t happen under a corrupt judicial system that literally allows police get away with murder while locking up minorities and the poor for years over drugs. So until that changes the ONLY other deterrent I know is an armed populace
This is pretty clearly false. If cops didn’t have guns, they’re still going to completely fuck update anyone who interferes with what they’re doing, then they’re going to put you in jail for ten years.
It may be false, but it’s nowhere near clear. Some people are willing to get arrested for interfering when they see or feel injustice being undone. Some guy - can’t remember his name - but recently ended his presidential campaign, once got arrested for interfering with what he considered injustice. And I once heard about this woman… Rosa something… who was willing to get arrested because she wouldn’t give up her seat on a bus. Believe it or not, some people are willing to go to jail fighting authority when they see moral wrongs. Not everyone’s natural instinct is to curl up into a fetal position
Exactly. And we also know that there’s lots of data that suggests that having a gun on you makes nearly every single situation you’re in more dangerous for you. Maybe you could make the point that gun owners who do X, Y, or Z are less likely to get hurt, but X, Y, and Z are things like keep your gun locked up, and we already know that cactus doesn’t do that.