I think the war of position is a pretty cool idea, but have you ever tried to read Prison Notebooks? Tough, imo.
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You may wish this to be true, but itâs not.
No poor person has ever been a slumlord.
No poor person cashed in stock options at Perdue pharma.
No poor person has bankrolled for profit prisons.
No poor person has funded think tanks that crank out climate change denial propaganda.
Itâs an near infinite list, and if we wanted to keep score in this game of who acts worse, rich or poorâitâll be a blow out. And I only listed legal things that rich people do that poor people donât.
Our currently existing system is designed to prioritize profits over people. So, you are left with a choice: acknowledge that allowing the rich to commoditized and profit off of everything from shelter to health care to inflicting pain and suffering onto others to destroying the environment is in fact the rich actively acting worse than the poor.
Or keep equivocating, and pretend the score is tied.
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Which Russian Revolution? And exactly what to you blame on poor people then?
Hitler was backed by the business elite. Everything about the nazis can be blamed also on the wealthy class, not the working class.
And even if you were right about these cases (youâre not), youâre still wrong.
That desperate people are sometimes violent in their own defense doesnât make them as bad as those who are routinely violent in their opprsssion.
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Honest to god people. We are pretty sophisticated group here. How about we stop with the level one âeveryone in group X is Yâ discussions. They are so stupid and lead only to lazy thinking.
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Poors did the holocaust what a take
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Tldr, but you want to play this both ways. With Hitler you are using his personal economic status because that suited your point. You ignore that he was bitterly opposed to the working class (labor unions were a primary target). With Lenin it works better for you to ignore his personal background and blame the people he claimed to support. (He did not support them in reality. Within a couple years he was sending in tanks to settle labor disputes.)
it takes a weird motherfucker to want all that money and power of people which is directly correlated to why we have an election between two sex pests and half the rich people in America were in Epsteinâs black book.
To the extent that anyone thinks the Nazis rose to power by disproportionately capturing the voting preferences of a class, then they think that it was the protestant middle class. In the entertainingly Marxist classifications being bandied about, then the petite bourgeoisie.
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Same as Trump, wouldnât you say?
(Also both supported by industry which was ok with fascism and worried about labor.)
Marx, Hitler, Lenin and Stalin should be given a rest in these discussions and we should go with the French Revolution. Sans Culottes, revolutions of 1789 and 1793, conspiracy of equalsâŚ
Canât fool me, no way Iâm qualified to answer about Trump and the modern US!
Also, as I read this thread earlier and made a sandwich I amused myself by thinking why not throw the French Revolution into this analysis of the working classes run amok.
Interesting how the French Revolution resulted in a kind of anti-populist law bro paradise where a more professional bureaucracy was set up and a more consistent and rational rule of law established, and oh yeah, 8 million people died.
Mark Twain has that quote about the horrors of the Terror being tiny compared to the horrors of the French Aristocracy, but then the horrors of the modern nation state made them both look small.
Literally nobody has made any statement of the sort youâre describing there.
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This. The levels of defensiveness and the lack of self-awareness are astounding.
A: Iâm glad I donât vote like one of those low IQ low education waiters.
B: That comment sucks.
C: How can you say all rich people are bad!??!?!?!?!?!?!?
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One of the maddest books Iâve read about the French revolution was about its monetary policy, which seemed like liberal economics taken to the absolute max. They allowed local markets to independently set the value of their main paper currency, and the one thing they never countenanced was defaulting on the French stateâs debts. (Despite obviously not being averse to some radical work, even in economics e.g. they based the new currency on all the land they took off the Church by signing a law.)
Should say I never feel more stupid than when trying to understand economics, so every chance Iâm misstating something important here. Also Iâm sure this economic approach died gradually along the way, probably during the Directory, but I forget when.
You should have left off the last sentence and just let me nod along pretending I know what youâre talking about.
Money was pretty whack back then anyway.
Which reminds me, shit, Iâm half-way through Debt: The First 5000 Years and let it fall aside, and itâs pretty good, and I shouldnât waste so much time posting here.
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Being rich doesnât mean you are over all bad, but being rich is a moral failing. Thatâs one of the only things that idiot Jesus got right: barring rich people from Heaven.
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No man, the âeye of the needleâ thing was totally a parable about a gate where your camel had to move really carefully to get through, it couldnât possibly be just a literal thing about rich people being shitty from a guy who hated rich people.
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I have no idea what Flynn said, because lol reading a Flynn post, but this is hardly what I said. I said these broad generalizations about rich or poor people are stupid.
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