Gotcha, usually when someone says X is affected disproportionately it is meant to imply that they are affected more.
Republicans have been using abortion as a wedge issue for way longer than the current âculture warsâ. All these terms are pretty loosely defined, but I personally think of the culture wars as being more about âfresherâ social justice issues, like the widespread acknowledgment of structural racism and the elevation of transgender rights to the mainstream culture. Thatâs just an opinion though, Iâm sure others have a richer and more nuanced view.
turns out voting rights thing doesnât help Dâs like people here think
Itâs easy to see culture war as upholding white Christian society. I think itâs a bit wider than that.
Let us think of the slogan âMake America Great Againâ. Behind that is a belief in American exceptionalism, an exceptionalism that arises from a distinctly American political and economic system. Attacking racism arouses feelings of culture war from those who feel that attacking the origins of America, attacking its history, is to attack America itself.
But the idea that if we no longer make racism a salient front in the culture war, the culture war remains. Advocating for universal health care and other forms of âsocialismâ is still perceived as an attack on America because it is a statement that the economic history of America is built upon failure. Arguing for the abolition of the Senate, packing the Supreme Court, switching to the popular vote, or abolishing the filibuster is perceived as an attack on the peculiar political institutions which make America unique.
The backbone of American culture is the myth of this country as the shining city upon a hill, a model for the rest of the world. Anything that diminishes that, that says that America was never that example or no longer is, will be seen as a culture war salvo by the enemy. Everything progressive is a form of culture war.
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What?
I mean maybe not soon with Dems going after the highly educated people in the suburbs and giving up the working class vote. But for now most of the voting rights issues in places like GA & AZ strictly target minorities which they are losing ground with but still have a big advantage. And Iâd be willing to bet the lower income ones affected mostly by voting restrictions are even way more heavily favored.
Whatcha talking about
I hope Nadler retires, dude is a fucking disgrace
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Send him a strongly worded letter. That is their Achilles heel.
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Dems do great with working class voters. They do awful with white evangelical voters regardless of social class.
These splits seem weird. The most persistent split is education. Republicans are basically the party of stupidity.
They only do great with white non college voters. They lose nonwhite non college educated voters.
Yeah but âwhite, no degreeâ is the single largest voter block. Its bigger than all black and latino, degree and no degree, combined.
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Right. But Iâm saying this group is heavily republican not because Dems have âgiven upâ on working class voters. Itâs that white non college, rural voters hate democrats for being multicultural and non-religious. No policies targeted towards the âworking classâ will change that.
I donât agree with that. Dems had a lot of pull with these kinds of voters in places like WV, PA, and OH before they abandoned unions and working-class white people.
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Yes, thatâs right. The whole concept of âworking classâ is weak now. Youâve got college grads working at Starbucks in cities. Youâve got rednecks doing physical labor in the South. Youâve got tenuously employees immigrant workers in California. Youâve got bartenders in the Midwest. Itâs all over the place, youâll never win all of them. You need a coalition of disparate interests. This is a somewhat fatal flaw for progressives in general, their good ideas and clear thinking on rights and justice lend themselves to purity testing that undermines coalition building. The deplorables are all just selfish at their core and want what they want, which naturally leads to compromise via quid pro quo. You can have your guns if I can have my tax cuts. You can get your banned abortions if I can have my climate deregulation.
But they havenât simply stopped voting or moved to a heavily pro union party pro working class party. Theyâve flocked to a party that vocally bashes immigrants, minorities, wokeism etc because thatâs the most important thing to them.
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It looks like nonwhite, noncollege was actually one of Trumpâs biggest gaining demos and probably worse if you add nonblack too. Ds still crush the demo, but if they keep losing their lead with Latinos, its GG, we are megafucked. Also, winning <$50k by only 10 points isnât great considering the difference in basic self-interest for ~all of those people.
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Right. I think âworking classâ as a voting block is non-existent right now. Dems have certainly given up on voters who think CRT is the number 1 issue and many of those people happen to be working class. But thatâs totally different from saying Dems have given up on working class voters. Like you imply, non-white, young city dwelling working class voters are a huge part of the base and their views on social justice etc are having a major impact on the party.
Honestly, absent some massive external event, it isnât even worth analyzing this stuff because not only are democrats going to lose, it wonât even be close. The biggest under-discussed factor is bleeding Hispanics and they have absolutely no plan.
Lose what? House in 2022? Almost certainly. Senate in 2022? I think they have a good chance of holding. 2024 is totally up for grabs.
This is the senate map for 2024:
