No, they absolutely do not.
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All republicans who consume news from the usual RW sources will know is that
-Biden increased the debt and is ruining our economy.
-Liberals have cancelled Dr. Seuss, Mr. Potato Head, and Pepe Lepew.
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Right, Fox News will whine about cancel culture or birth certificates or some other shit no matter what the Dems do. We might as well score some political points out of this.
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It absolutely is duct tape and it absolutely is a dystopia for an increasing number of people. I get it’s not dystopia to you, because you’re insulated from it. Sorry if it offends you to point out the obvious fact that you’re a well off person, but I do know enough about your life to assume you have never come remotely close to real struggle like the bottom third of the US experiences every day.
You want to celebrate the “win” so you can feel better and pretend the wheels aren’t coming off in a way that might eventually affect you directly. Nobody ever wants to hear from the doom and gloom crowd no matter how true our observations are. Sorry to piss in your Cheerios, but things are really fucked up, consistently getting worse, and there is no reason to expect they will improve. The fact alone that the US government is desperately throwing trillions at problems it doesn’t even understand should clue you in to how unstable and unsustainable things are.
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You are simply empirically wrong. Things got measurably better for the poorest people in America last week. They did just. It’s a fact not up for debate. I’m not going to pretend otherwise to fit into some weird doom club. Nobody is claiming the world is a utopia and there are no poor people. I’m claiming as fact that the world is a little bit better today than it was last week. Not for me but for the poorest Americans
Anyway I’m done with this argument.
Also fuck you on claiming because I’m middle class I don’t care about the poor. Seriously fuck you. I’ve had it with this. Your inability to make a good argument has nothing to do with my annual income.
I see we’ve reached the part of the discussion where clovis takes great personal offense at something that was absolutely not said or implied. Never gets old, not even after the 500th time it happens.
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No just that I had no idea how the bottom third lived because im too rich. For the record the bottom third in America earn a median income of close to $26,000.
I first earned more than that when I was 33 years old and lived on far less than $25k/year for all my teen and 20s.
So how about you stick to making an argument and not personal attacks about my life which you know nothing about.
I2i made the same claim about me earlier and micro took a shot at me as if I’ve never been anywhere not on a cruise.
I’m not taking it anymore. Make an argument with facts not personal attacks.
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Now we get the old guy doesn’t understand inflation bit along with total cluelessness with regards to the skyrocketing costs of housing/healthcare/education
Good fun
You could respond, “perhaps we shouldnt make assumptions about each other’s life when we don’t know much about it. Either way it has nothing to do with the argument at hand and is only included to disparage him so maybe we should stick to the facts of the debate”
But nope instead you insult me by suggesting I don’t understand inflation.
Got to go with clovis8 here. The COVID bill is a big win for progressives.
To appreciate the concrete significance of the ARP for ordinary Americans — and, by extension, the significance of having 50 Democratic votes in the Senate versus 49 — here are a few of the ways life in the U.S. is about to change as a result of a unified Democratic government coming to power:
• The average household in the bottom quintile of America’s economic ladder will see its annual income rise by more than 20 percent.
• A family of four with one working parent and one unemployed one will have $12,460 more in government benefits to help them make ends meet.
• The poorest single mothers in America will receive at least $3,000 more per child in government support, along with $1,400 for themselves and additional funds for nutritional assistance and rental aid.
• Child poverty in the U.S. will drop by half.
• More than 1 million unionized workers who were poised to lose their pensions will now receive 100 percent of their promised retirement benefits for at least the next 30 years.
• America’s Indigenous communities will receive $31.2 billion in aid, the largest investment the federal government has ever made in the country’s Native people.
• Black farmers will receive $5 billion in recompense for a century of discrimination and dispossession, a miniature reparation that will have huge consequences for individual African-American agriculturalists, many of whom will escape from debt and retain their land as a direct result of the legislation.
• The large majority of Americans who earn less than $75,000 as individuals or less than $150,000 as couples will receive a $1,400 stimulus check for themselves and another for each child or adult dependent in their care.
• America’s child-care centers will not go into bankruptcy en masse, thanks to a $39 billion investment in the nation’s care infrastructure.
• Virtually all states and municipalities in America will exit the pandemic in better fiscal health than pre-COVID, which is to say a great many layoffs of public employees and cutbacks in public services will be averted.
• No one in the United States will have to devote more than 8.5 percent of their income to paying for health insurance for at least the next two years, while ACA plans will become premium-free for a large number of low-income workers.
• America’s unemployed will not see their federal benefits lapse this weekend and will have an extra $300 to spend every week through the first week in September.
This is a small sampling of the COVID-relief bill’s consequences (more comprehensive accounts of its provisions can be found here and here). But it is sufficient to establish that something has dramatically changed in the Democrats’ approach to wielding power.
The article goes on to explain how the COVID bill marks a conceptual difference, more emphasis on full employment, none of the trapezoid tax break as benefit programs that were the hallmarks of the neoliberal Democrats. It’s not solving everything but it’s a definite win and a shift in the right direction
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If you’re saying a 25 year old living off of $20k/yr in Canada thirty years ago is equivalent to a family living off of that in America today, then I’m not the one insulting you.
You are only off on my age by 15 years but I can see why you are so convinced about my life history.
I think Canadians like myself and Clovis can’t really feel what it’s like to not have healthcare coverage, have to buy insurance you can’t afford or go without etc like so many Americans do. I think its wild he so often does the “no its the kids who are wrong” meme without irony.
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If only my ability to feel what it’s like to not have healthcare had anything at all to do with the absolute unarguable fact that a huge portion of the US population can afford healthcare this week that they couldn’t last week.
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None of this can possibly betrue because I go on cruises LDO. 
Isn’t this basically the centrist argument for Obamacare?
I have no idea what you are trying to claim.
Your comment that we are closer to M4A than fascism was the statement you made that I disagreed with. If you make a comment like that it seems like you don’t understand the struggles of many people here that live in a fascist state. I then told you why I think a portion of our population lives in a fascist state and you agreed with what I said.
So if you still believe we are closer to M4A than fascism even though a segment of society lives in a fascist state then I don’t know what to make of that.
The odds of a republican winning in 2024 and making society more fascist for many people are probably way higher than M4A being supported by half the democrats at that point
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I am curious about how this is being framed. Because the NYT article states the following:
So, this is a temporary increase in the child tax credit. Maybe I’m missing something, but temporary tax credits /= raising kids up out of poverty permanently. When this temporary credit expires does that mean that the dems and the media will write new articles saying that they’ve doubled child poverty? Because it seems to me that the honest way for the media to present this would be that this tax credit temporarily decreases child poverty. If the GOP or Trump or Fox News had done a temporary tax credit and tried to frame it this way, I feel like we’d view that claim skeptically.
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