LC Thread 2020: What the PUNK? ROCK.

He is my favorite film maker. IMO you really have to watch ALL off his movies. Each film is individually interesting but it us really to totality of his films / his personality that is transcendent.

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I’ve been on vacation all week, but just realized that there’s another major hurricane about to hit Louisiana. I hope we don’t have any UPers in harms way.

I married a Chinese woman and my mom kept asking my MIL how to say my name in Chinese. MIL could not convince my mom that there is no Chinese equivalent and my mom wouldn’t drop it, so I finally told her “My Chinese name is lo fan”. Wife and MIL cracked up and don’t recall ever telling my mom what it means.

Edit-just looked at Urban Dictionary and it’s kind of right, but not really. It’s derogatory and literally means ‘white rice’. Black people are referred to as Ha Koy. Not sure about spelling there, that’s how it sounds phonetically. Also derogatory and I have no idea what it means. I asked, responses were evasive.

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I’m so far behind in life right now but when I catch up I’m going to binge these and give a trip report.

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Chiefsplanet is having a big debate about whether to just nuke the DC forum - as it’s making the whole place rancorous.

The irony is that other than twitter - that forum is now the most even-sided forum I know of where people from both sides still even speak to (yell at) each other. Right-wingers on the DC forum probably have a better inkling of the left’s actual arguments than like 99.9% of their compatriots - just due to the resident liberals constantly poking them with a stick.

Facebook and pretty much everywhere else - people have retreated to their bubbles. Even old 22 politics is largely liberal now - at least on the subjects I read. The only defenders of Trump are stupid trolls.

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Both sides are absolutely convinced their side is crushing the election. Going to be a lot of cognitive dissonance no matter what the outcome of election day is.

The cycles of trends on the 22 politics forum have been pretty amazing. When I started there the arguments were dominated by the AC crew, it was basically where I learned what libertarianism even is. The centrists were the minarchists!

After that there was a pretty great period of people explaining why ACism won’t work but it was actually pretty good if you knew how to read the tea leaves and find the good stuff. Its a shame that it died after that.

They still at least know stuff like the left thinks the whole George Soros argument is a fraud. My mom thinks it’s just common knowledge that Soros funds antifa and isn’t (or wasn’t) even aware anyone disagreed.

I agree they don’t understand the arguments - but at least they’re usually aware there is even an argument. A lot of right-wingers are so far in the bubble they think the left just shrinks and hides every time you say the name Soros - because they have no come back.

guess USPS has really gone to shit, none of the boxes I got were what I ordered. Yes they’re free but they take longer to arrive now and not what I needed sigh. Kudos to whatever Trump troll did that.

My retort is something like if Soros was paying for all this shit, he’d be as broke as trump a long time ago.

I’m not sure if you are familiar with religious apologia. The parallels between the defense of faith and other ideological beliefs is quite interesting.

If you read or listen to Christian apologetics, you’ll see that it’s for the most part not capable of convincing non-believers of the validity of a specific faith or gaining converts. It’s use is more to provide succor to those who already believe when they are confronted with facts or evidence that causes cognitive dissonance.

For example a pastor can tell his congregation that there are more ancient manuscripts from the Bible than any other written work. A believer will ingest that fact and most likely will feel more justified in their belief. No matter that the oldest manuscripts are from decades after Christ’s death, and that 99% of those “ancient” manuscripts are copies of each other that were transcribed by monks throughout the middle ages prior to the printing press. If the believer never asks the next question that peels back that layer of the onion, it’s a fact that they can lean on rather than evidence against the validity of their beliefs.

Christians also have a rigid good vs evil framing. This allows their leaders and apologists to play the evil/Satan card. There has been a lot of propagandist effort in the USA to create similar emotionally evocative framing with “socialism”, “Soros”, “liberal”. Once a person or concept is attached to one of those labels, it can simply be dismissed without further consideration. Compare this to people who insist that USA#42 healthcare is actually the best in the world. In their minds it necessarily has to be, because the other option is SOCIALISM!!!

The people who believe in young earth creationism or trickle down economics aren’t stupid across the board. It’s epistemological failure with a Dunning-Kruger cherry on top.

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I don’t post on the largest Saints forum, but they shut down their politics section awhile ago. Probably smart.

Probably smart for the forum and probably a social good. I’m starting to think an annual 20% tax on turnover of comment sections on news sites would be an inestimable boon. Like, no, they’re not banned, but you’ll def go bankrupt if you have one, dealer’s choice (I’m aware this is pie in the sky, just saying).

I also think the entire true crime genre is a massive push factor towards right-wing thinking, certainly on law and order and civil rights. Dunno what you could do about that, though.

What all would you classify under this category?

Mostly podcasts, but only because I’m not very well informed on true crime TV etc. So podcasts like My Favorite Murder and Last Podcast On The Left, even though AFAIK the hosts of those are all good liberals; LPOTL even has a politics spinoff (which I’ve never listened to because lol) and IIRC they share a producer with Chapo. And there’s a ton of others, really just google ‘true crime podcast’ and you’ll see it’s an entire industry.

I say it because when I listen to those podcasts, the recurring themes seem to me always to trend towards a popular right-wing bent; the cops are underfunded and hamstrung by silly laws restricting their ability to do various things, sentencing is too lenient which is why this monster was released and allowed to finally kill etc. This murderer was given free legal aid by the state — your taxes paid for his defence!!!

I’m less familiar with true crime in TV and book form, but the little I’m familiar with seems broadly congruent. I suppose it’s ironic that I’ve listened to a fair amount of true crime podcasts and apparently haven’t morphed into a chud as a result, but then again, how could you mount a critique of it without being familiar? I think I even recall the MFM hosts mentioning that they’d been criticised for unwittingly aping right-wing talking points in their banter, which on the one hand is maybe contra-indicative to my point, but on the other hand, shows that a certain section of their listenership agrees with me.

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2020 coping

https://twitter.com/karmenj_97/status/1313210331729203203?s=21

Not sure how much you have listened to LPOTL but they are definitely liberal. The politics LPOTL used to be Marcus and Ben but I think it’s Ben and a new guy now so not sure how it is, I only listened a few times because it’s simplified for what I assume is people that don’t follow politics like we do. But the few times I did they definitely seemed to approach it in a common sense way and seemed to be on the liberal side. Ben is probably more center than the other two but honestly is probably the dumbest of the 3 so… and he did run for an office in New York a few years back but I don’t know much about it.

As far as what you mentioned with how they view the police I believe they are all 3 in favor of BLM and anti police, most of the police discussion in relation to their cases is how comically dumb the cops are trying to catch these guys.

Sure, like I said, the hosts are all liberals. That doesn’t mean the content, and the hosts’ uncontextualised commentary on the content, doesn’t tend to drive people right. I suspect it does.

I can’t speak to MFM, never listened to it, other true crime pods I’ve listened to were mostly straight up about the cases and not much background so I dunno

Also one other thing, about the serial killers themselves or whoever, there’s a fair amount of, these guys are pieces of shit but also plenty of talk about their circumstances/childhood and plenty of talk about whether they should have gotten mental help or why they couldn’t.