WAAF
YAAF.
I have 10 acres in South America if anyone wants to escape while they still can. Applicants must agree to bring a suitcase full of marmite.
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Shit I might stay in Prague after all. Theyâre upping the salaries of public servants across the board by 10 percent at the end of next year.
Brexit is really gonna cut down on the number of international students and thus the number of jobs there for me.
So yeah what do we change the thread title to now?
Land of Dark Satanic Mills Zero Hour Warehouses?
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Further down that thread:
https://twitter.com/zachdcarter/status/1205267083635888130?s=20
This is the problem, and itâs a big one. The people who are voting for these lying clowns will not accept that youâre on their side if youâre also on the side of those that the right has successfully otheredâbecause they will not accept that they themselves could possibly be on the same side as the othered.
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Labourâs Brexit position was logical but too nuanced for modern day politics where agendas are set and pushed by a billionairesâ club of media ownership.
Likewise their manifesto was honest, ambitious but too long and complicated compared to the stupefying simplicity of âGet Brexit Doneâ and wild-eyed claims about phantom hospitals.
Corbyn was popular in 2017 but unpopular two years later due mainly to a concerted media campaign determined to paint him as a terrorist-sympathising antisemitic Communist (which he was too slow in tackling).
The BBC were also clearly pro-Johnson.
The campaign strategy of focussing canvassers more on winnable Tory seats than on defending Labour marginals turned out to be flawed.
Some members of Labourâs shadow front bench are widely hated, eg Diane Abbott, and draw ridicule whenever they appear, while a respected colleague like Starmer was hardly used in the campaign.
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He took a neutral stance on an issue that you simply canât be neutral on.
If youâre against Brexit, you should do everything in your power to stop it. If youâre for it, then you should do everything in your power to make it happen. Corbyn declared that he would be neutral on a second referendum if Labour somehow got the majority in this election and that is inexcusable.
The whole point of voting Labour was to give them the political power to stop Brexit and he wasnât committed to taking the steps needed to do it. History will not look fondly upon him.
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What? afaik this was the LibDem platform. Labour was pretty split on Brexit, which was the problem.
These braying sheep on my TV screen
Make this boy shout, make this boy scream!
LibDem changed their views on revoking Article 50 without a referendum when they realized that it was an unpopular position. They then switched to trying for a second referendum which was too little, too late.
Yeah Labour was split and Corbyn kept on with a balancing act instead of taking a stand either way because he wanted to retain his position even if it meant being in the minority.
As the dust settles my main takeaway is that the Lib Dems, the Greens and the Brexit Party have been absolutely shafted by the FPTP system. Tories and SNP the main beneficiaries, but itâs worth pointing out that Lib Dems got ten time the combined votes of Sinn Fein and Plaid Cymru for the exact same number of seats, and the Brexitards got more than double the DUP votes without getting a single seat (DUP got 8).
I donât see where we go from here. I guess Scotland will be leaving the UK ASAP, and fuck knows what will happen with Ireland. Meanwhile thereâs a clear majority in England who just want to leave the EU and donât really care about the consequences, or indeed about anything else. I canât imagine a possible voting system that doesnât further empower the nationalists because the simple truth is there are so many of them.
I donât feel like I belong in this country any more, the government doesnât represent anything I believe in and Iâm outnumbered by people whose views I despise. Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson will be absolutely unbearable now, and if you think itâs already terrible just wait until we start negotiating the future relationship with the EU. Itâs going to get worse.
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The Brexit question was unwinnable for Labour because whichever side theyâd have backed would have seen them hemorrhage votes to the other side, hence the stance they took (which saw them losing votes to both sides anyway).
Iâve felt I donât belong here during the Thatcher era and for the last 10 years too. Thereâs always hope that without the reliance on the ERG Johnson will turn out to be softer than we feared, choosing a soft off the shelf Brexit deal (CU, single market) that can be done next year, and an end to austerityâŚa little hope.
Meanwhile everyoneâs least favourite villain Tommy Robinson has joined the Tory Party.
If Scotland breaks off and stays in the EU, will it be a reasonably sane country with a healthy economy?
Itâs definitely a more progressive place than most of the rest of the country. In the 2 years I lived there, I ran into exactly one Trump supporter (an old lady using the free internet at a local library).
Thatâs not to say that there isnât a conservative element. The place I lived in for most of that time had a Scottish-Conservative MP in Parliament (though he was crushed in the GE yesterday and replaced by a SNP member). Though some might disagree, Iâd argue that Scottish people are more divided over national identity (Unionist/Separatist) than they are on the left-right spectrum.