Let’s leave the other thread for political GOP insanity
Continuing the discussion from GOP Insanity Containment 2: This is the Place. This is the Time, Cowboy.:
It’s not a lie to observe that your preference is for a total ban, despite your otherwise stated principles. Your concession of practicality does not overrule that your preference is for a total ban.
Also, lol, banning abortion is 100% the opposite of liberty. You deny people agency over their own bodies.
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You want the federal government controlling women’s bodies because you’re for small government that doesn’t intrude into people’s lives? Make that make sense for me
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Unlike people like you who appear to be kewl with killing unborn babies, I want liberty for both the mother and the baby.
Nothing is more anti-liberty than a policy that states that a mother has a “right” to kill her unborn baby.
Supporting a woman’s right to kill her baby is literally Satanic in my opinion.
You kinda have it backwards in my opinion. I think babies ought to have a legal right to live.
But as I stated earlier, as a practical matter it should be an issue to be settled by each state individually (imo).
Babies DO have that right. Fetuses don’t
So you want abortion legalized federally and leave it up to the states? Do I have that right?
(similar to what the marijuana laws used to be?)
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All fetuses are babies, but not all babies are fetuses.
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If I was King of the United States, I would decree that abortions be banned.
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Since I am not the King of the United States, I think the issue is best left to the states, unless or until there is a constitutional amendment granting rights to unborn babies.
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Default should be that abortion is legal, but it can be restricted/banned by each individual state as they see fit. (imo)
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No, you don’t. By outlawing abortion, you are absolutely denying freedom.
But perhaps, you are merely an idiot. One who is painfully ignorant of the realities of pregnancies and childbirth.
OK, let’s go with your premise. Every fetus is a baby with full, inalienable human rights. So then every miscarriage is manslaughter, correct? Every woman whose body fails to convert an embryo to a full blown baby has had a personal failing that makes her culpable for manslaughter, no? I mean, that’s certainly what your words imply, that of all the fertilization events, the 30-50% that “naturally” end in miscarriage should wind up with those women behind bars, surely. They may not be Satanic, but they’re at least criminally liable for the death of a human being no? That 30 to 50% includes women in monogamous relationships actually trying to have a baby they want to keep, so it sounds like you’re basically making procreation a criminal risk for any woman who dare try.
Oh oh oh ok. You’re no barbarian. “Natural” miscarriages should have no criminal consequences. Only those cause by abortion or some other action taken by the mother. Sweet. Now, every woman in a monogamous relationship who wants to have her own healthy baby has to lawyer up every time she has a miscarriage (likely at least once if she has a couple kids!), because a dead body may not be proof beyond a reasonable doubt, but it’s at least probable cause for arrest and indictment. Doesn’t matter if the fetus had some sort of autosomal trisomy, monosomy X, or any of the dozens if not hundreds of distinct ways in which a clump of cells could qualify as a fetus and yet have a 0% chance of ever developing into a living, breathing, functioning human, those women who miscarry non-viable babies, or who even miscarry viable ones, had better prove before a court that their miscarriage was natural and not an abortion, because if they fail to show any evidence of it being a natural miscarriage, they should be locked up as Satanic.
You know what this system would mean, right? It would mean that women would start never, ever, ever telling anyone that they were pregnant up until fetal viability. No, not even their doctors, because that would leave a medical record that could be subpoenaed and thus show probable cause of a terminated pregnancy in the event that they go to a doctor about a pregnancy and then somehow never give birth. No birth equals probable cause for having gotten an abortion or otherwise having taken some action to end her pregnancy. LOCK HER UP. This, of course, will inevitably result in more dead mothers and more dead babies, because they failed to get prenatal care that could have saved one or both of them. But hey, no biggie. At least those women and babies died not having an abortion! Those women should know the consequences.
Speaking of prenatal care by the way. Do you support free prenatal care for all mothers, or is that socialism? If you don’t, is it your Satanism that you failed to fund the women and babies who die because the mother was too poor for proper prenatal care, or is it the woman’s, because she got pregnant (by accident, by rape, by her lawful husband who ran off and left her penniless after she got pregnant, whatever) without subsequently being able to pay for it?
But OK, maybe you’re still not that barbaric. You’re prepared to, say, not brand as Satanic women who have legitimate non-viable pregnancies, or whose pregnancies would otherwise threaten their lives. Could you please enumerate all of those things? What, surely you know all of them, since you know who’s Satanic and who’s not. Or, if you think a woman and her doctor can determine when a pregnancy is viable and when her life is at risk better than you can, congrats, you’re pro-choice.
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Or, hey, if your ignorant ass needs some more:
MrsWookie would swear up and down that she is pro-life. She also had a miscarriage for her first two pregnancies. The first happened on my birthday, and we spent it waiting around for hours at the hospital as she dripped blood out from behind her through her pants in the wheelchair she sat in. Her body failed to expel the full extent of the fetus she had in her at the time, so the doctors recommended a D&C, lest the necrotic fetal tissue become septic and threaten her ability to ever have another child or perhaps her very life. A D&C, dilation and curettage, of course, is the same procedure as is used in many abortions. Had this happened to us in some place where abortions are banned, like Texas in the present day, she may have been denied the procedure, and then, who knows. Maybe we would have never had our two children. Maybe I’d be a widower. But hey, I guess we’re actually Satanists, and MrsWookie should be in jail?
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Something isn’t true simply because you declare it. You can call a fetus whatever you want, but it is still a parasitic organism that cannot survive without its host
I’m a little shocked by this and applaud you for at least being more reasonable than most religious fundamental conservatives
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You fucked up an otherwise great post with this:
People against abortions generally don’t think the issues through anywhere near as detailed as the excellent points you present after this sophomoric insult. They believe god plants a human soul at conception and only god can kill it (never mind that by this logic, god commits more abortions than anyone)
What Hadley suffered through was horrific beyond measure. Her courage in publicly sharing her story can only be applauded.
Having said that, it should be mentioned that Hadley did NOT herself have an abortion. She had planned to get an abortion, but her unborn baby miscarried before she scheduled an abortion. Some folks viewing the video might get the mistaken impression that Hadley herself did get an abortion.
Quite so.
Having said that, the Mayo Clinic is fine with calling a fetus a baby, so if I’m wrong at least I’m in good company:
Fetal development: The 2nd trimester - Mayo Clinic
I try to be reasonable from time-to-time. 
You’re in lots of good company
- “Baby”—Justin Bieber
- “Baby, I Love Your Way”—Peter Frampton
- “Where Did My Baby Go”—John Legend
- “It’s All Over Now, Baby Blue”—Bob Dylan
- “Baby Baby”—Amy Grant
- “Baby’s In Black”—The Beatles
- “There Goes My Baby”—Enrique Iglesias
- “Give It to Me Baby”—Rick James
- “Runaway Baby”—Bruno Mars
- “Baby By Me”—50 Cent
Edit: My point is, it doesn’t matter what you call it. You can call it a fetus, a baby, a bun in the oven, whatever… A 6 week old fetus cannot survive without the mother
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You left off the best one.
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That does not appear to be a Sir Mix-a-Lot video.
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Pure checkmate libs energy.
Thank you, MrWookie, for your thought-provoking post.
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Since Roe v Wade was overturned in 2022, many states have enacted laws that Planned Parenthood itself describes as ‘total bans on abortion.’ Is what you describe in your imaginative narrative happening in ANY of those states? If so, I will seriously reconsider my position.
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I’m kewl with free pre-natal care for those women who can’t afford it. We Californian’s look out for each other.
I’m just curious… If you’re okay with the default being that abortion is legal federally (and leaving it up to the states to decide if they want to “allow” women to have the procedure), why not just go one step further and leave it up to women to decide for themselves?
The main problem with your remedy is that it discriminates against minorities and the poor since many of them don’t have the means to move or travel out of state for healthcare. Because let’s face it… You can bet that the mistresses of politicians and the wealthy are gonna get their abortions no matter what even under a 100% federal ban
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Some localities believe that killing babies is a serious enough matter to ban it all together.
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Abortion isn’t “healthcare.” It’s “deathcare.”
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The rich and powerful almost always find ways to skirt any law. (It’s the American way
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