Fall LC thread

Also, I’ve defended Maher several times. I generally like him, but he’s got a few pretty big things wrong.

no one fucking cares

I was trying to make a point about why this philosophy and its media arm alienate and repulse huge segments of the population

i dont want your Bill Maher personal history

It’s too late anyway. This political party is the party of kooks, there’s no disavowing that.

I have no idea if it’s 10 seconds or 10 minutes, that’s the problem.

sorry, guys. I was in a sour mood, looking to pick a fight.

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It’s all good.

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leave the voting issue out of it, Warren out there stumping as advocate for taxpayer-funded sex-changes for felons is quintessentially Democratic politics, and it’s why we lose.

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I drove from LA to Vegas yesterday - it was pretty much stop and go the whole way coming the other way. Fuck holiday travel.

Yikes, yikes, and yikes!

People act as though the long term effects of their actions are knowable, but they are not knowable.

https://twitter.com/ladyhaja/status/1201530412381691904?s=19

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Maher is right here. We should be for getting felons the right to vote, but we shouldn’t talk about it during the campaign. This is one of those things you just do (because it’s great politics actually… does anyone actually think that the millions of felons and ex felons who are disproportionately minorities/poor are going to vote for the law and order GOP? GTFO lol) probably in the dead of night through some legislative trickery.

You probably never cover inmate sex changes unless it’s buried in a 2500 page prison reform/healthcare bill. The GOP is really really good at getting unpopular shit done without running on it. We should try that sometime.

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Mr Musk’s legal team insisted he would not be seeking an out-of-court settlement. Instead, he will argue that “pedo guy” was not an insult suggesting Mr Unsworth was a paedophile.

“Pedo guy was a common insult used in South Africa when I was growing up,” Mr Musk said in a court filing as part of a failed request to have the case thrown out of court. "It is synonymous with ‘creepy old man’ and is used to insult a person’s appearance and demeanour, not accuse a person of paedophilia.”

Calling someone “pedo guy” is not accusing the person of paedophilia …ok

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Yeah like for anyone who doesn’t know, Bernie said he thinks incarcerated felons have the right to vote, affirmed again when asked if the Boston Marathon bomber should be able to vote, then capped it off with an op-ed explaining his position. Part of Bernie’s appeal is that he says what he thinks, but I think this is an instance where he could have given a more evasive answer, as Warren did:

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), for example, said, “Once someone pays their debt to society, they’re out there expected to pay taxes, they’re expected to abide by the law, they’re expected to support themselves and their families. I think that means they’ve got a right to vote. While they’re still incarcerated, I think it’s a different question. And I think that’s something that we could have more conversation about.”

While I don’t have a strong opinion on letting incarcerated felons vote, I’m not convinced by Bernie’s argument, which is basically “Everyone gets to vote because Bill of Rights”. Everyone gets the right to liberty because Bill of Rights as well, except they don’t if they’re a felon; it’s not clear to me why voting is necessarily different. I just think it’s a bit unclear as a serious moral issue on which one must stand on principle, and you’re never getting it done in office (it’s a state issue) so like, why?

Something tells me the taxpayer expense part isn’t the root of your problem here.

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Felons losing their liberty is perfectly in keeping with the Fifth Amendment:

No person shall…be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;

And Berger wrote it best in Trop v. Dulles:

“Citizenship is not a right that expires upon misbehavior.”

I think most importantly that inmates are bound by policy as much as any citizen, and much more than some. Certainly any changes in policy around the prison system, or rights of ex-convicts, will affect them deeply. And they still pay taxes. Why should they not get a say in who will legislate on their behalf?

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How is there not a high speed train from East LA to Vegas? This country, man.

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Florida is even worse in this respect. There is no good reason there shouldn’t be some kind of high-speed train connecting Miami, Orlando, and Jacksonville/Tampa. After like decades of fighting, we decide to put in a “high speed train” that wouldn’t even have been considered all that fast before talk about such a train even began. It’s fucking infuriating. Edit: as is autocorrect.

These billionaires are all straight-up fascists. Elon could easily pay whatever fine but he has to insist that he never did anything wrong.

https://mobile.twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/1201862469460922369

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That’s fantastic :) - even this curmudgeon would have to join in that.

(I’ve always liked a good Mexican Wave but some frown upon them)

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