Fall LC thread

Why do you think economically motivated undocumented immigrants come here? Isn’t it specifically to work these types of jobs for low wages? There’s not really any difference between your view and people who want to lock down e-verify type systems so immigrants “self-deport.”

They come here because NAFTA and CAFTA, along with American subsidies especially of corn, have devastated their rural economies. That and the drug war and global warming (drought in Central America).

I should note that while I have no idea what the higher up immigrants make, the ones who get hired on new make the exact same wages as those with citizenship. Though probably still cheaper if they don’t have to pay for their healthcare. But from my understanding the majority of young people at least don’t opt in for the healthcare anyways. They’d rather have the larger paycheck and hope they don’t get sick. If you make $15 an hour in CA, the hundreds of dollars out of your check can be devastating.

I think the above is pretty normal for businesses in CA at least. The non citizens use fake SSN and the employers pretend to not know and treat them like normal employee’s.

Yes, that is completely standard. Solar is a little different, but I interact with a lot of other trades people/businesses and for people like roofers it’s pretty hard for them to stay business if that’s not what they do. A recent exception I did a job where there was a roofing crew onsite and based on the English proficiency, age and music I expect they were all born in the US (still 100% Hispanic crew) and lord they were an awful crew.

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Opened borders and immigrant worker rights.

Open borders and more or less automatic citizenship.

Both things I advocated for earlier itt. :grin:

I’m a pretty extremist when it comes to borders. I think they should be virtually totally open. I also see little value in the idea of citizenship.

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And our long history of supporting despots in the Northern Triangle.

Dipped my toe to have a peek at the old politics site on 2p2. Read a hundred or so posts in the Transgender Children thread. I know we sometimes tongue-in-cheek call the place Stormfront lite. You may now remove your tongue from your cheek. The place is a straight-up, no-holds-barred hate site. There are hundreds of unmoderated posts that qualify as hate speach. What a cesspool.

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Booming poker economy tho

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But civil though!

lol, I caught a day ban for hurting the feelings of one of the bigots in that thread.

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That mason thinks a good economy is going bring back the boom times he got used to is even dumber the AK? argument.

The 2+2 forum is exactly what white supremacist bigot piece of shit Mason Malmuth wants it to be.

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Lol remember when the Deplorables got angry when everyone voted for AOC in that contest? And then they tried to rig it so she couldn’t win?

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Funny the concern for transgender children never came up for the decades of doctors cutting off parts and giving hormones to intersex children.

Random non political question.

Anyone got the AirPod pro yet? I’m on the fence about getting them as my normal AirPods work fine.

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