Democratic Primary Debates

It only just occurred to me (and maybe someone’s pointed it out) but Biden’s “Make sure the kids hear words” is probably a fumbling reference to a long-discredited and pretty racist theory elucidated in You’re Wrong About’s episode on ebonics. That dude just never left the '70s.

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This line of attack seems … familiar.

I’m not hard in the paint for Joe (Warren is my pick). Two people went to Trump levels of attacking the media for reporting about Castro being wrong in questioning Joe’s memory. That’s my issue itt atm. Attacking the media is straight up Trumpian, and it should be something actual left leaning people should stand up against.

You and others keep distracting yourselves with policy and even ignored what Joe said. I’ll take him at his word he plans to cover cancer victims and other diseases like what is on his site when his campaign alludes to what they’re planning to do. That’s not being hard in the paint.

Quit responding with single lines if you have something to say.

Inferences are hard.

They are.

You are not the arbiter of leftism and you can sling this crap someplace down the street.

I’m left of center and always have been. I’m a reformist not a revolutionary. You have no idea what my actual positions on issues are and were in the past were because you never asked. So you can fuckoff some place down the street.

Guys, guys, guys: Haven’t we learned the lessons from Trump?

We have to trust our politicians.

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Google ‘arbiter’. And calm down.

Guarantee you that I talk to people who are Biden supporters, or not progressive, better than most people on this forum when it comes to policies. I understand them better, because I wasn’t convinced that pushing harder left was effective until the midterms, AOC, Sanders, and Warren at least showed it was potentially viable.

The average person who may be left friendly, but not all the way convinced, is sick of the chapo style rhetoric. There’s been push back against it elsewhere.

I still can’t get over how racist Joe is and how that doesn’t matter a damn to the Democratic establishment.

How to deal with racial inequality in this country? “Black people need to raise their kids better. For starters, make them listen to grammar-phones.”

Oh but he crushed the debate according to ABC / CBS / CNN / NBC :roll_eyes:

ETA: that’s almost the exact answer I’d expect from Trump, except Trump would have been less senile about it.

Well, I’ve talked to average voters in Brockway, Ogdenville and North Haverbrook and they all agree that you’re full of shit. I mean it’s literally insulting that you apparently expect to be taken seriously with this. It’s not gonna happen, bruh. Let the dream go.

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So in other words you are uselessly trolling as you usually do and cannot reply with substance. Gotcha.

Joe’s getting elected because you and belligerent chapo-esque “lefites” are fuckwits.

REAL AMERICANS at my work are fired up about Beeto promising to take their AR-15s and AKs. I’ve heard three different people talking about it.

This some flaming hotness right here

As I’ve referenced before, one of the (few) benefits of getting older is that you’ve seen the movie at least once before - and Biden looks a lot like Muskie did in 1972. He was a stone-cold lock for the nomination, EVERY media outlet printed puff pieces about the man from Maine and how he was going to run a sharp campaign against Nixon, beat him and be the president.

And he cratered, because he sounded like he was either senile or drunk in interview after interview - once the primaries started, he got crushed, and was out of the race before it was half over (carrying the establishment dem party over the cliff with him) - to a large degree, his problem was that no one was especially FOR him - it was just assumed that it was his turn for some reason. The voters happened to disagree.

Which looks a lot like 2019 and Joe Biden - so we’ll see…

MM MD

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Seems like Castro was technically correct, but the narrative in general is misleading which IMO is true of the M4A narrative in general despite being an actual superior policy.

The idea is simply that M4A provides healthcare to everyone but implies that the system now just doesn’t. Since Obamacare already mandates everyone get insurance and provides subsidies and enforces low prices to those that can’t normally afford it, all you’re really doing with M4A (coverage wise) is plugging the leaks with people who missed deadlines or stubbornly refuse to participate.

The idea that people who are sick and want insurance somehow won’t be able to get it affordably under a Biden plan is preposterous.

You have read the news over the past 20 years or so right? Like, this isn’t a hypothetical. People die every day because of healthcare costs. People go bankrupt every day because of healthcare costs.

So the insurance companies will be cool with no one signing up for health care until they get sick?

Sounds like a sweet business model.

Yeah that’s why I had “coverage wise” in parenthesis, costs are different subject entirely.

My criticism is that that isn’t the main argument used for M4A, we’re mainly just getting a repeat of 2008.

“making sick people healthy” is a lot cleaner of a message than

“destroy insurance companies so your bill is 15% less”